BRAKE Pad, Rotors, & Calipers Discussion Thread (OEM, aftermarket, etc...) - Page 5

preyx · 07-27-2004, 01:31 AM

Aren't brake dust shields generally dis-recommended because of heat concerns?

PS - If the 04.5 pads truly dust less than Porterfields, is it possible to get a set of those pads for my 02 coupe?

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Buellwinkle · 07-27-2004, 01:35 AM

You can get those pads but you'll have to get the rotors and calipers with it. They changed in 2004.5 to the AMG style. I've used brake dust shields for 200K miles on my W201 and never had a problem. They are vented and are very thin so I don't imagine you will get any serious heat build up. They are just not that pretty but you can paint a picture of Brembo brakes on them.

!!!!!NJ Drive · 07-27-2004, 01:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Buellwinkle

You can get those pads but you'll have to get the rotors and calipers with it. They changed in 2004.5 to the AMG style. I've used brake dust shields for 200K miles on my W201 and never had a problem. They are vented and are very thin so I don't imagine you will get any serious heat build up. They are just not that pretty but you can paint a picture of Brembo brakes on them.

... lol

jigga619 · 09-05-2004, 03:47 AM

How long have you gone before you had to change out your brake pads? I've got about 34k miles on my car and haven't changed mine yet.

W0n6_3d4n · 09-05-2004, 05:38 AM

I've changed my pad and disc at 50000km, i drive my car pretty hard and it wear 19 inch.

ddinata · 10-05-2004, 03:42 PM

hi, I have a 2003 c230. The display say that I need to replace the brake pads, my question is this cover by warranty ?

Thanks

CitronC230K_03 · 10-05-2004, 03:49 PM

nope! it is for a bimmer, but not for us.

mine cost about $203 when i had them replaced at the dealer. that was parts and labor.

jlm003 · 10-05-2004, 04:30 PM

ddinata,

I purchased the Porterfield pads from ForMyMercedes
and paid ~$260.00 for front and rear pads. As to the installation, well it probably took me longer to jack-up and remove the wheel than to change the pads. It's a no brainer even for those that classify themselves as "mechanically challenged".

You can also get Pagid brand brakes much cheaper but I went with the Porterfileds based on the advice of many forum members. Oh yeah, one extra advantage is that they produce very LITTLE dust that easily washes off with the hose.

Hope this helps...

Saprissa · 10-05-2004, 04:51 PM

hey, I'm one of those "mechanically challenged" people. LOL !

question for ya jlm003:

when you changed the pads to Porterfields, do you still use the MB brake pad sensors, or will those not work/fit on non-MB pads ?

Maybe it's a dumb question, because I just don't know enough about the brake pads and the sensor set-up, but figured you could tell me since you were able to do it.

Thanks !

Carlos

Saprissa@aol.com

rockintunes23 · 10-05-2004, 06:26 PM

hey, I'm one of those "mechanically challenged" people also. LOL !

I've had that message up for atleast year and half now. I have no clue how to install brake pads. Installing the Audio 10 was hard enough for me. I'm more into computers, weight lifting, learning new things at college, but as for my car... I'm white trash. HAHA I bought WIS, and two other mercedes benz repair guides and still have no clue. I find that easy things for others, is hard for me. Things I find easy, other people find hard. So here I site, crabbing. lol

Plus I'm scared if I do something wrong, the car will not be stopping. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

mperl93 · 10-05-2004, 10:02 PM

What are these brake pad sensors? When do they have to be replaced? Where do you get them? How much are they?

thanks,
Mike

jlm003 · 10-06-2004, 12:15 PM

Good news!!!

Just pull out the sensor from the original pad and install in the Porterfield (they come pre-drilled). As I remember there's only one sensor (front right, passenger, side on my 2004 C240).

By the way, make sure that you buy a couple of tubes of a compound that must be used on the back of the pads to keep them from squealing (Pep Boys carries this and it's a couple of bucks per tube). If you buy the pads from ForMyMercedes, they include the compound free and some basic instruction on how to keep the pads from making noise.

By the way here's a forum article regarding this subject:
Brakes

Saprissa · 10-06-2004, 12:21 PM

that is good news. Thanks for the update & link !!

Carlos

Saprissa@aol.com

johnp · 10-06-2004, 02:16 PM

Shouldnt you be cutting or better yet, replacing the rotors?

jlm003 · 10-06-2004, 02:33 PM

Johnp,

Unless you're competing in auto-cross events or love to do panic stops your rotors should be OK, specially if you've been using factory pads (which tend to be very 'soft' and hence wear out easily).

You normally "turn" rotors when they are warped which will in turn cause uneven pad wear. One of the main culprits of warpage is when the rotors become excessively hot by prolonged long downhill brake application, competition, etc. and you all of a suddent hit a large puddle of water or heavy rain. This immediate cool-down of the rotors is one of the main reason rotors warp.

All in all it should be OK to just change the pads...

johnp · 10-06-2004, 03:03 PM

Cant agree with you----unless you're talking about Benz's exclusively. (This is my 1st one, but I've owned other highline/performance cars before it)I was taught that you ALWAYS have to turn or replace rotor to allow pad to wear properly/evenly. Every rotor I saw did not wear smoothly and had some ridges on its face. That is why I asked the question---to turn a rotor in order to smooth its face. I cant see how turning a rotor when warped will correct the problem. I wud thing too much metal wud have to be cut to correct the warpage. Hey, I cud be wrong. I just hope you realize I'm not arguing/being defensive here. Thanks for your response

MBSang · 10-06-2004, 04:09 PM

I changed my pad last Saturday... no need to change the rotor.
and if you get the "Brake pad lining ... " message, you need to change your sensor too. The changing is no brainer. It was my "first-ever-touching-car" event.

BTW, I got Pagid from buyMBparts.com paid $76 (1 front pad set, 3 anti-squeal paste, 1 sensor).

Good Luck!

jinijazz · 10-06-2004, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by johnp

Cant agree with you----unless you're talking about Benz's exclusively. (This is my 1st one, but I've owned other highline/performance cars before it)I was taught that you ALWAYS have to turn or replace rotor to allow pad to wear properly/evenly. Every rotor I saw did not wear smoothly and had some ridges on its face.

I always DIY pad/rotors of my cars. but replacing rotor for every new pad is totally unnecessary unless you abuse your brake like crazy. (He must be a dealer service rep.

) As a general rule, the life span of one rotor matches 2 pads, and it includes most of high end cars.

rockintunes23 · 10-06-2004, 04:54 PM

Exactly, my service rep. only replaces brake pads and rotors. Lets just say, a simple job that costs about a hundred and half gets you to almost a thousand there. That's why I'm still sitting here wondering when my car will not stop. lol

C230 Sport Coup · 10-06-2004, 08:24 PM

Someone asked about the sensor..it's about 5 bucks.
Once it the light on the dash comes on, the sensor is fried..
it just 2 wires sealed in plastic. When the pads wear down, the
plastic wears off, exposes the wires, and completes the connection on the rotor.
They wanted 660+ tax to do front and rear pads ONLY at my dealer. Did the fronts for 70 and never did the rears...funny but same dealer said they (rears) were fine 25K miles later.
Such lyin' cheatin' lo down money hungry dogs are they.
But I'm used to it now.
Only spent 700 on the whole AMG kit including shipping and brake fluid.

C230 Sport Coup · 10-06-2004, 08:26 PM

Some good DIY instructions here..
http://shorterlink.com/?851TOA

rockintunes23 · 10-06-2004, 08:46 PM

Look at that website and still have no clue. I'll be white bread and pay someone to do it. Probably I'll learn how to do it and can laugh about this matter later. So reminds me when I paid Jiffy Lube to change my window washer blades. After 35 bucks, I had a pair. Now I change them myself for 5 bucks.

defyin · 10-07-2004, 06:18 PM

My dad owns a auto garage/tire shop and I worked for him for five years. We turned the rotors on every brake job we did. If customers requested to just "slap" pads on we made them sign a hold harmless agreement. I turn my rotors every brake job and will continue with my new Mercedes. I'm not saying it's absolutely necessary, just the way I'm going to do it.

mleskovar · 10-07-2004, 09:26 PM

I believe the only reasons to change rotors are if the surface has cracks, the whole rotor warped, 'excessive' grooves or ridges are present, or they have worn below the minimum thickness. Rotors quickly get grooves and ridges on most cars and it doesn't affect the braking performance enough to turn them immediately... does it? No, we keep using them until the pads need replacement.

Saprissa · 10-07-2004, 10:59 PM

What is exactly meant, when you say "Turn" the rotors ?

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07-27-2004, 01:35 AM	#102
Buellwinkle MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Laguna Niguel, CA Posts: 6,183	You can get those pads but you'll have to get the rotors and calipers with it. They changed in 2004.5 to the AMG style. I've used brake dust shields for 200K miles on my W201 and never had a problem. They are vented and are very thin so I don't imagine you will get any serious heat build up. They are just not that pretty but you can paint a picture of Brembo brakes on them. __________________ 2004.5 C230K Sport Sedan - Pewter/Charcoal - 6-spd - Comand 1998 SLK230 - White www.Buellwinkle.com

09-05-2004, 03:47 AM	#104
jigga619 Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: San Diego Posts: 121 Drives: 2002 C230	Brake pad life How long have you gone before you had to change out your brake pads? I've got about 34k miles on my car and haven't changed mine yet. __________________ 2002 C230

09-05-2004, 05:38 AM	#105
W0n6_3d4n MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 1,536 Drives: C200K (w204)	I've changed my pad and disc at 50000km, i drive my car pretty hard and it wear 19 inch. __________________ 2007 C200K W204 2001 C180 19 inch LD1 -SOLD- Carlsson Coilover, Flat hood emblem, Black Grille, smoke taillight, Bi Xenon (finally), Wald bodykit. ICE: Denon DCT-R1 (HU) Nakamichi SP-5 Dynaudio MW160 (7 inch jobbies) SoundSplinter RL-p 12 ValveAudio Reference by D.Lumanauw Tru Technology Hammer H-1

10-05-2004, 03:42 PM	#106
ddinata Newbie Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 7	brake pads hi, I have a 2003 c230. The display say that I need to replace the brake pads, my question is this cover by warranty ? Thanks

10-05-2004, 03:49 PM	#107
CitronC230K_03 MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: San Diego, Ca Posts: 7,737 Drives: 2003 Citron Green C230KMT	nope! it is for a bimmer, but not for us. mine cost about $203 when i had them replaced at the dealer. that was parts and labor. __________________ \|\|\|\|\|\| OEM Mods: Convex Mirrors, Illuminated DoorSills, SL E-Brake Pad, W211 Indicators, COMAND, AMG Sways, AeroWipers, Climatronic, Electronic Folding Mirrors, AMG Brakes, PTS (Full), 2004 armrest, UHI, Linguatronic, OEM FireExtinguisher, full 2005 exterior, IMS, MB Sirius, Argos Bluetooth Mods: 20mm Spacers, SilverMesh, 6000k Philips Ultinon, PIAA Ion Yellow Fogs Scheduled Mods: CLK Heated/Vented Ortho. Seats, AMG spoiler

10-05-2004, 04:30 PM	#108
jlm003 Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 132 Drives: 2004 C240	ddinata, I purchased the Porterfield pads from ForMyMercedes and paid ~$260.00 for front and rear pads. As to the installation, well it probably took me longer to jack-up and remove the wheel than to change the pads. It's a no brainer even for those that classify themselves as "mechanically challenged". You can also get Pagid brand brakes much cheaper but I went with the Porterfileds based on the advice of many forum members. Oh yeah, one extra advantage is that they produce very LITTLE dust that easily washes off with the hose. Hope this helps...

10-05-2004, 04:51 PM	#109
Saprissa Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Diego, CA & San Jose, Costa Rica & Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 9,500 Drives: 1959 220S / 1979 230 G / 2002 A210 AMG / 2003 C320 SC / 2004.5 C320 SS / 2005 ML350 SE / 2008 smart	hey, I'm one of those "mechanically challenged" people. LOL ! question for ya jlm003: when you changed the pads to Porterfields, do you still use the MB brake pad sensors, or will those not work/fit on non-MB pads ? Maybe it's a dumb question, because I just don't know enough about the brake pads and the sensor set-up, but figured you could tell me since you were able to do it. Thanks ! Carlos Saprissa@aol.com

10-05-2004, 06:26 PM	#110
rockintunes23 Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Delaware, United States. (First ~little~ state) Posts: 189 Drives: Mercedes-Benz	hey, I'm one of those "mechanically challenged" people also. LOL ! I've had that message up for atleast year and half now. I have no clue how to install brake pads. Installing the Audio 10 was hard enough for me. I'm more into computers, weight lifting, learning new things at college, but as for my car... I'm white trash. HAHA I bought WIS, and two other mercedes benz repair guides and still have no clue. I find that easy things for others, is hard for me. Things I find easy, other people find hard. So here I site, crabbing. lol Plus I'm scared if I do something wrong, the car will not be stopping. So I'm keeping my fingers crossed. Last edited by rockintunes23; 10-05-2004 at 06:32 PM.

10-05-2004, 10:02 PM	#111
mperl93 Almost a Member! Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 59 Drives: c230 sport sedan	What are these brake pad sensors? When do they have to be replaced? Where do you get them? How much are they? thanks, Mike

10-06-2004, 12:15 PM	#112
jlm003 Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 132 Drives: 2004 C240	Good news!!! Just pull out the sensor from the original pad and install in the Porterfield (they come pre-drilled). As I remember there's only one sensor (front right, passenger, side on my 2004 C240). By the way, make sure that you buy a couple of tubes of a compound that must be used on the back of the pads to keep them from squealing (Pep Boys carries this and it's a couple of bucks per tube). If you buy the pads from ForMyMercedes, they include the compound free and some basic instruction on how to keep the pads from making noise. By the way here's a forum article regarding this subject: Brakes

10-06-2004, 12:21 PM	#113
Saprissa Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Diego, CA & San Jose, Costa Rica & Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 9,500 Drives: 1959 220S / 1979 230 G / 2002 A210 AMG / 2003 C320 SC / 2004.5 C320 SS / 2005 ML350 SE / 2008 smart	that is good news. Thanks for the update & link !! Carlos Saprissa@aol.com

10-06-2004, 02:16 PM	#114
johnp Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: little ferry nj Posts: 190 Drives: 08 Silver Lexus IS250 (manual) black 2004 230 ss is gone	Shouldnt you be cutting or better yet, replacing the rotors?

10-06-2004, 02:33 PM	#115
jlm003 Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 132 Drives: 2004 C240	Johnp, Unless you're competing in auto-cross events or love to do panic stops your rotors should be OK, specially if you've been using factory pads (which tend to be very 'soft' and hence wear out easily). You normally "turn" rotors when they are warped which will in turn cause uneven pad wear. One of the main culprits of warpage is when the rotors become excessively hot by prolonged long downhill brake application, competition, etc. and you all of a suddent hit a large puddle of water or heavy rain. This immediate cool-down of the rotors is one of the main reason rotors warp. All in all it should be OK to just change the pads...

10-06-2004, 03:03 PM	#116
johnp Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: little ferry nj Posts: 190 Drives: 08 Silver Lexus IS250 (manual) black 2004 230 ss is gone	Cant agree with you----unless you're talking about Benz's exclusively. (This is my 1st one, but I've owned other highline/performance cars before it)I was taught that you ALWAYS have to turn or replace rotor to allow pad to wear properly/evenly. Every rotor I saw did not wear smoothly and had some ridges on its face. That is why I asked the question---to turn a rotor in order to smooth its face. I cant see how turning a rotor when warped will correct the problem. I wud thing too much metal wud have to be cut to correct the warpage. Hey, I cud be wrong. I just hope you realize I'm not arguing/being defensive here. Thanks for your response

10-06-2004, 08:26 PM	#121
C230 Sport Coup MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Village. (well, ok Bay Area, CA near the beach) Posts: 3,365 Drives: #6 - C230 Sports Coupe, Pano, Orion Blue, Oyster leather, C7	Some good DIY instructions here.. http://shorterlink.com/?851TOA __________________ 2002 C230 Sport Coup ASP Pulley-Supersprint Header-Remus Muffler- NGK BCPR7EIX-11 TEIN SS Coilovers AMG; Wheels, 22mm AMG Front sway bar, HR 19mm rear bar, C32 Brakes Tinted Windows- 2005 Tails, Grill & Blinkers-Clear Sides Bi-Xenon Headlights! Clear Fogs w/Philips Crystal Vision bulbs Audio 10 Renntech style Spoiler Supercharger Muffler Deleted! "Aero Turbine" AR20 Rasp Eliminator (Resonator)

10-06-2004, 04:09 PM	#117
MBSang Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: NJ Posts: 121 Drives: C230K	I changed my pad last Saturday... no need to change the rotor. and if you get the "Brake pad lining ... " message, you need to change your sensor too. The changing is no brainer. It was my "first-ever-touching-car" event. BTW, I got Pagid from buyMBparts.com paid $76 (1 front pad set, 3 anti-squeal paste, 1 sensor). Good Luck! __________________ '02 C230K Coupe, Auto, Alabaster White, Oyster leather, C2, C7, CD Changer

10-06-2004, 04:54 PM	#119
rockintunes23 Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Delaware, United States. (First ~little~ state) Posts: 189 Drives: Mercedes-Benz	Exactly, my service rep. only replaces brake pads and rotors. Lets just say, a simple job that costs about a hundred and half gets you to almost a thousand there. That's why I'm still sitting here wondering when my car will not stop. lol

10-06-2004, 08:24 PM	#120
C230 Sport Coup MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: The Village. (well, ok Bay Area, CA near the beach) Posts: 3,365 Drives: #6 - C230 Sports Coupe, Pano, Orion Blue, Oyster leather, C7	Someone asked about the sensor..it's about 5 bucks. Once it the light on the dash comes on, the sensor is fried.. it just 2 wires sealed in plastic. When the pads wear down, the plastic wears off, exposes the wires, and completes the connection on the rotor. They wanted 660+ tax to do front and rear pads ONLY at my dealer. Did the fronts for 70 and never did the rears...funny but same dealer said they (rears) were fine 25K miles later. Such lyin' cheatin' lo down money hungry dogs are they. But I'm used to it now. Only spent 700 on the whole AMG kit including shipping and brake fluid. __________________ 2002 C230 Sport Coup ASP Pulley-Supersprint Header-Remus Muffler- NGK BCPR7EIX-11 TEIN SS Coilovers AMG; Wheels, 22mm AMG Front sway bar, HR 19mm rear bar, C32 Brakes Tinted Windows- 2005 Tails, Grill & Blinkers-Clear Sides Bi-Xenon Headlights! Clear Fogs w/Philips Crystal Vision bulbs Audio 10 Renntech style Spoiler Supercharger Muffler Deleted! "Aero Turbine" AR20 Rasp Eliminator (Resonator)

10-06-2004, 08:46 PM	#122
rockintunes23 Banned Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Delaware, United States. (First ~little~ state) Posts: 189 Drives: Mercedes-Benz	Look at that website and still have no clue. I'll be white bread and pay someone to do it. Probably I'll learn how to do it and can laugh about this matter later. So reminds me when I paid Jiffy Lube to change my window washer blades. After 35 bucks, I had a pair. Now I change them myself for 5 bucks.

10-07-2004, 06:18 PM	#123
defyin Almost a Member! Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: Central Coast, CA Posts: 27 Drives: 05' c230 SS	My dad owns a auto garage/tire shop and I worked for him for five years. We turned the rotors on every brake job we did. If customers requested to just "slap" pads on we made them sign a hold harmless agreement. I turn my rotors every brake job and will continue with my new Mercedes. I'm not saying it's absolutely necessary, just the way I'm going to do it.

10-07-2004, 09:26 PM	#124
mleskovar MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Huntington Beach, Ca. Posts: 2,975 Drives: '01 C320	change rotors? I believe the only reasons to change rotors are if the surface has cracks, the whole rotor warped, 'excessive' grooves or ridges are present, or they have worn below the minimum thickness. Rotors quickly get grooves and ridges on most cars and it doesn't affect the braking performance enough to turn them immediately... does it? No, we keep using them until the pads need replacement.

10-07-2004, 10:59 PM	#125
Saprissa Super Moderator Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: San Diego, CA & San Jose, Costa Rica & Stuttgart, Germany Posts: 9,500 Drives: 1959 220S / 1979 230 G / 2002 A210 AMG / 2003 C320 SC / 2004.5 C320 SS / 2005 ML350 SE / 2008 smart	What is exactly meant, when you say "Turn" the rotors ?

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