engine seized, i messed up, please help

[amanonfire]

Originally Posted by Glyn M Ruck Try & get a low mileage used engine & demand a reasonable warranty on the replacement. They are going to have to get the ECU with that new engine because the ECU & engine are VIN matched. This can be overcome with adaption but it's far from just plug & play but not insurmountable. Ummmm my engine was just plug and play, old ECU, new engine. The dealership has done this twice on their race C230 as they blew engines, replace engine, same ECU. Why would a used engine not work with the same ECU? The ECU has no clue what VIN is etched on the engine. I have heard that a used ECU will not work with the car, since the car has to be VIN matched to the ECU, yet the ECU should work with any engine (as long as it has the same specs).

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[amanonfire]

Originally Posted by vdubpower

yeah i agree and understand. i dont know what i can do though.
my shop guy said he found one with 19K on it but it cost 3700$
he said the adjuster seemed reasonable.
I havent gotten a call from the adjuster at all.

the shop said that for the most part, there will be new parts purchased, but basically from the used engine they will use the block.

That's reasonable. My used engine cost $4200 CND with ~42K kms on it.

The only parts swapped from the blown engine to the used engine was the electronics (MAF, O2 sensors, plugs, ...), starter, alternator, and exhaust manifold. The used engine came with the full intake (SC, TB, ...), water pump, vacuum pump, and even the wire harness.

[vdubpower]

is it tru, that if i had an engine replaced, that if i took it to another mechanic after the fact, can he look at the engine and see that it was replaced

[samaritrey]

Originally Posted by vdubpower

yeah i agree and understand. i dont know what i can do though.
my shop guy said he found one with 19K on it but it cost 3700$
he said the adjuster seemed reasonable.
I havent gotten a call from the adjuster at all.

the shop said that for the most part, there will be new parts purchased, but basically from the used engine they will use the block.

Your insurance is you basic liability/comprehensive etc.. right because if it is don't they let you take the car anywhere you want? they give you a check and you can take your car wherever and if you need more money they shop can call your insurance company and get it approved. that is how it works with body work at least. i ask because my insurance company will only let you use oem parts that are new. also if you want all new parts you could take your car to the dealer because most of you always talk about how they throw parts at a problem until it passes for being fixed. i really doubt that the Mercedes dealer would go out and source a used block or whatever to throw in your car. that would also give you a 1 year warranty on the work.

[Glyn M Ruck]

Originally Posted by amanonfire

Ummmm my engine was just plug and play, old ECU, new engine. The dealership has done this twice on their race C230 as they blew engines, replace engine, same ECU.

Why would a used engine not work with the same ECU? The ECU has no clue what VIN is etched on the engine. I have heard that a used ECU will not work with the car, since the car has to be VIN matched to the ECU, yet the ECU should work with any engine (as long as it has the same specs).

Your engine was not a V6 - please check - you will find I'm correct

[MW_ATL]

Just to add a visual to what happened - This came out of a Crown Vic, but almost identical circumstances. We seem to have it happen about every other year at work. It sure is not what connecting rod is supposed to look like, but it makes an interesting paperweight now.

[vdubpower]

how does the ecu supposed change make a difference with my overall vin and history of the car

anyways, heres an up date
i have a engine being sent over from california, from a 2005 c320 that had 39K miles on it. Its supposedly was hit on rear side, bent frame, no front end dammage. its been sitting at the salvage yard for 2 yrs .

the insurance set its max payment , around 6 grand . If i wanted to buy a new engine id have to pay the difference.

i can post a list of the items my repair shop is requiring.

[LILBENZ230]

Insurance set a $6k max or what? Totalled? They can't say we're repairing your car but only up to $6k unless they want to total it.

I personally wouldn't want an engine that had been sitting idle for 2 years. That's just me.

[vdubpower]

i really dont know what to f ing do...

[vdubpower]

what i meant, was
the adjuster came up withthe estimate for engine etc and labor for 6100 bucks and presented that to the insurance agent.
they sent that to the shop who mostly agreeed with the cost.
they just needed my autrhorization to go forth with the repair.

the adjuster had found an engine locally, but the shop does not use that salvage yard or werent comfortable with them, and they found one in california, from partsdept.com

they ordered that one

what im wondering, the one that was found b y the adjuster was noted to be 2800 bucks.
i dont know the cost of the california one. i couldnt get that info because my shop had made the purchase and i wasnt privvy to that info.
interestly , they went ahead with the purchase before i approved authroization for the work to be done.

see where im getting

the most i could get from the partsdept was the vin number

[Glyn M Ruck]

Your best bet is to accept the engine. Insist you know why they chose it. Demand a decent warranty on the unit.

[samaritrey]

Originally Posted by Glyn M Ruck

Your best bet is to accept the engine. Insist you know why they chose it. Demand a decent warranty on the unit.

+1

[vdubpower]

im gonna ask for all my old engine parts. i wonder if i can make a sitting room table out of the block?
or if anyone wants parts, i canhook u all up.

[samaritrey]

Originally Posted by vdubpower

im gonna ask for all my old engine parts. i wonder if i can make a sitting room table out of the block?
or if anyone wants parts, i canhook u all up.

+1 on table that would be cool and you have a story behind it.

[LILBENZ230]

What kind of warranty are you getting? No one has any idea what a used engine has been treated like.

[amanonfire]

Originally Posted by Glyn M Ruck

Your engine was not a V6 - please check - you will find I'm correct

[vdubpower]

stupid question, how much do u think the engine block weighs

when i call the shop tomorrow and ask if the "new" engine has arrived, and ask for my old one, im sure they will be like "why the heck do u want it"

i just need to be prepared so i dont make a fool out of myself, thanks

[samaritrey]

no clue if this site is right but it says "The new Mercedes V6 weighs just under 330 pounds, about 100 pounds less than the previous in-line powerplant."
http://www.whnet.com/4x4/new_V6.html
so bring a few friends along for the ride and then buy them a bear. and i just had a thought make sure the shop doesn't take the coil packs and other things off the engine. i also assume the new engine came with air filter housing, ecu ... make sure they don't try to keep that stuff. hope your repair goes well keep us posted.

[LILBENZ230]

Originally Posted by samaritrey

so bring a few friends along for the ride and then buy them a bear.

To eat his friends? How cruel.

[samaritrey]

lol i don't think i am going to fix that tooo funny

[Glyn M Ruck]

The block stripped is very light - one man easy. It's light aluminium with Alusil bores - not even steel sleeves.

[vdubpower]

good i ll dump it in the back of the denali

[JonMBZ]

They might be required to return it as some kind of core for spare parts or recycling. Good luck I would have rather had them total it though

[vdubpower]

but dont i still own the parts, so essentially i should be able to keep them right

if they totaled the car, id get like 15K, wtf can i buy with that. my car was pretty much pristine minus this incident.

[C230 Sport Coup]

Originally Posted by samaritrey

so bring a few friends along for the ride and then buy them a bear.

Bear for sale