Oil change interval question?

[chilledbenz]

First thing...your paying for the servicing so you can feel free to have it changed when ever you want. I always do my servicings before the computer says to, but its usually within 1000k of the computer. Something to think about...when I was looking into the Porsche Cayenne when it first came out..the recommended servicing for changing oil was every 36k miles...I would never go that long before changing the oil!

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[e1000]

Originally Posted by tanktube67

The "A” service is an option and is free
The "B" service is a must; if an engine internal failure happens to you car and MB will void your warranty for negligence or just for using the wrong oil, I tell you this because I see it every day.

Service-A is NOT optional and NOT free.

[tanktube67]

Originally Posted by e1000

Service-A is NOT optional and NOT free.

Did you had to pay for Service "A"?

[e1000]

Originally Posted by tanktube67

Did you had to pay for Service "A"?

Your dealer might have thrown in Service-A as a courtesy but Service-A is definitely not free. You do also understand that after your Service-A, there is Service-B, and then after that, you go back to Service-A.

Service-A is ABSOLUTELY not optional in the sense that you can just skip it. At a minimum, an oil change should be done at the first 13.5K/1yr interval.

[e1000]

btw - the frou frou "break in check" that you take your car in for in the first 3000K miles is NOT Service-A. That is free.

[QQQ]

Service A is not free.

[chilledbenz]

+1 Service A isn't free...there is however a free courtesy check up between 1k and 3k miles, only thing they do there is plug the car into the computer and check for any errors, check your fluids, and address any questions you may have about your new car.

[misterng]

What are the cost for Service A and B and what is the different between it?

[Baron Samedi]

Originally Posted by RLE

Mercedes dropped the "lifetime trans fluid" idea in 1995 and since then they say change it at 39K miles.

That's interesting. I could have sworn that the service book for my 99 W210 did not list a service interval for the trans fluid. I'll have to take a look and see.

[RLE]

<<That's interesting. I could have sworn that the service book for my 99 W210 did not list a service interval for the trans fluid. I'll have to take a look and see.>>

Don't bother. It was 2005, not 1995. I saw the MB document announcing the "rethink" when my '01 C320 was in the shop to look for things to fix at the end of the warranty.

[AsianML]

Originally Posted by chilledbenz

First thing...your paying for the servicing so you can feel free to have it changed when ever you want. I always do my servicings before the computer says to, but its usually within 1000k of the computer. Something to think about...when I was looking into the Porsche Cayenne when it first came out..the recommended servicing for changing oil was every 36k miles...I would never go that long before changing the oil!

Not sure on the Cayennes, but on most of the Carreras you'd be adding a quart of oil almost every few thousand miles. By the time you'd reach the service interval you'd have almost changed the oil completely.

[RLE]

<<Not sure on the Cayennes, but on most of the Carreras you'd be adding a quart of oil almost every few thousand miles. By the time you'd reach the service interval you'd have almost changed the oil completely.>>

None of the Boxster or 996/997 owners I know have oil consumption problems.

[e1000]

Originally Posted by RLE

<<Not sure on the Cayennes, but on most of the Carreras you'd be adding a quart of oil almost every few thousand miles. By the time you'd reach the service interval you'd have almost changed the oil completely.>>

None of the Boxster or 996/997 owners I know have oil consumption problems.

oil consumption varies from engine to engine. you and your friends may just be lucky ones or your rings seated better during break in. If you do a google search, there are people with 996/997's with oil consumption. I heard the BMW V10 in the M5/M6 drinks oil too, so bad that they keep a couple quarts in the trunk.

[Benz084]

Haha, obviously we don't stock mb-rated synthetic.
I purchase oil in bulk. Very large amounts.
I recieve decent discounts.

[RLE]

<<oil consumption varies from engine to engine. you and your friends may just be lucky ones or your rings seated better during break in. If you do a google search, there are people with 996/997's with oil consumption.>>

As a member of PCA for a long time, I don't have to go to Google for information. My PCA Region (Western Washington) has almost 1700 memberships out of the 65,000 or so nationally in PCA and there are many Boxsters and 996/997 models around here. Not to mention, one of my close friends is Tech Editor of Porsche Panorama (with a 997S) and a member of the National Technical Committee and I hear it all.

The faults and defects of the post 1997 water cooled engines include rear main seal leaks, porous engine cases, camshaft failures and cylinder liners breaking loose etc. and excessive oil use is not even on the radar.

[tanktube67]

Originally Posted by RLE

<<oil consumption varies from engine to engine. you and your friends may just be lucky ones or your rings seated better during break in. If you do a google search, there are people with 996/997's with oil consumption.>>

As a member of PCA for a long time, I don't have to go to Google for information. My PCA Region (Western Washington) has almost 1700 memberships out of the 65,000 or so nationally in PCA and there are many Boxsters and 996/997 models around here. Not to mention, one of my close friends is Tech Editor of Porsche Panorama (with a 997S) and a member of the National Technical Committee and I hear it all.

The faults and defects of the post 1997 water cooled engines include rear main seal leaks, porous engine cases, camshaft failures and cylinder liners breaking loose etc. and excessive oil use is not even on the radar.

Oil consumption it's very typical on all German cars, some VW's, BMW's and Audi used to had a sticker on the fuel tank flap saying "check your oil"

[tanktube67]

Originally Posted by Benz084

Haha, obviously we don't stock mb-rated synthetic.
I purchase oil in bulk. Very large amounts.
I recieve decent discounts.

Everybody owns there on car, so you can treated how it please you.
15/40 10/40 5/40 15/50 straight 40W
Is not the recommended oil but (to each it's own)

[RLE]

<<Oil consumption it's very typical on all German cars, some VW's, BMW's and Audi used to had a sticker on the fuel tank flap saying "check your oil">>

I neither know nor care about VWs but the flat claim that all German cars use oil is absolute twaddle.

A few examples with which I have personal knowledge.

My own '84 944 which I have owned for going on 25 years and picked up at the factory was a track car for at least 15 years, on Mobil 1 since 1988, uses no measurable oil between annual changes.

My '01 C320, on M1 0W40 from the beginning , and changed every 5000 miles, used no measurable oil during the 6.5 years I owned it.

My friend JB's 99 CLK430 at 72000 miles on M1 0W40 changed every 5000 miles still uses no oil.

My friend LG's first year 996 was a track and autocross car from brand new (no run in) and oil use was never an issue until he sold it.

Your statement is therefore proven false. You could have said that some of them do begin to use oil before they should and that would be closer to it.

[e1000]

Originally Posted by RLE

<<Oil consumption it's very typical on all German cars, some VW's, BMW's and Audi used to had a sticker on the fuel tank flap saying "check your oil">>

I neither know nor care about VWs but the flat claim that all German cars use oil is absolute twaddle.

A few examples with which I have personal knowledge.

My own '84 944 which I have owned for going on 25 years and picked up at the factory was a track car for at least 15 years, on Mobil 1 since 1988, uses no measurable oil between annual changes.

My '01 C320, on M1 0W40 from the beginning , and changed every 5000 miles, used no measurable oil during the 6.5 years I owned it.

My friend JB's 99 CLK430 at 72000 miles on M1 0W40 changed every 5000 miles still uses no oil.

My friend LG's first year 996 was a track and autocross car from brand new (no run in) and oil use was never an issue until he sold it.

Your statement is therefore proven false. You could have said that some of them do begin to use oil before they should and that would be closer to it.

http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php...78&Main=416478

like I said, varies from engine to engine.

[mosquad]

Originally Posted by misterng

What are the cost for Service A and B and what is the different between it?

there is a thread about this already; it depends on your location too though...

[mosquad]

Originally Posted by CarGuru

The oil looked pretty black

as stated above by others, the color is not an indicator.
I don't think that MB would take the risk of recommending an interval that would harm the car which would end up being covered by the warranty, thus, MB losing some $$. Plus, oil change is not free anymore, so there is no benefit for MB to have a longer interval.
I read somewhere though that the recommended interval became longer when the maintenance became free in the past, I believe that car manufacturers were profiting from the short interval before the introduction of the free maintenance, and when this one was introduced, it was better for them to disclose the true recommended and not-understated interval for pure financial reasons. Once the free maintenance was removed, the longer interval was kept cause it would be "weird" to have a shorter recommended interval now that people have to pay for the oil change - as stated above, it wouldn't make sense to them to recommend something that would harm the car.

[tanktube67]

I neither know nor care about VWs

Porche owns 31% of VW

My own '84 944 which I have owned for going on 25 years and picked up at the factory was a track car for at least 15 years, on Mobil 1 since 1988, uses no measurable oil between annual changes.

Your 944 is non turbo engine. With 174 hp 4 cyl IL 0-60 mph time of over 9 seconds and is a VW engine design and the oil consumption varies from engine to engine.

Your statement is therefore proven false.

Your answer

http://www.rennteam.com/showflat.php...78&Main=416478

Oil consumption it's very typical on all German cars, some VW's, BMW's and Audi used to had a sticker on the fuel tank flap saying "check your oil

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This means they recommend to check your oil every time you refuel, some engines burn oil some won't

You have not prove NOTHING

[paulybagadonuts]

Originally Posted by misterng

What are the cost for Service A and B and what is the different between it?

A Service in NY around $350

at 13,000 miles or 1 year; then every 26,000 miles or 2 years1


Interior
· Function check
· Check warning and indicator lamps, illumination and interior lighting
· Check windshield wiper, windshield washer system, headlamp cleaning system
· Reset maintenance service counter in instrument cluster


Wheels, brakes
· Check front brake pads for lining thickness
· Check tires for damage, condition
· Correct tire inflation pressure
· Tire rotation2


Engine Compartment
· Engine oil and filter change
· Fluid level checks of the following:
· Engine cooling system, antifreeze and corrosion protection
· Windshield washer system
· Brake system
· Check and correct battery fluid level
· Check battery condition using "Midtronics MCR 717" tester (C-Class, CLK-Class, SL-Class)
· Check catch, safety catch and hinges on engine hood for proper operation


Trunk
· Correct tire inflation pressure in spare tire

1. Whichever comes first. Requires use of 229.5-spec oil and high-performance fleece oil filter. Every 10,000 miles for V-12 and AMG models. Driver is responsible for monitoring fluid levels and tire pressures between service visits. On E-Class models, see Maintenance Booklet for additional maintenance service types.

2. If your vehicle's front and rear tires are different sizes (so they cannot be rotated), your dealer will inspect them and adjust their pressure for you.

Tire Rotation — the First One's on Us

Your vehicle's tires are a critical component of overall vehicle performance and vehicle stability. On models with four same-size tires, we suggest tire rotation at every maintenance service, and at least once in between each one ? following the recommendations in the literature provided by the tire manufacturer and depending on tire wear.

Your first tire rotation before 6,500 miles will be provided at no charge. And if your vehicle's front and rear tires are different sizes (so they cannot be rotated), your dealer will inspect them and adjust their pressure for you.





B Service - Around $475 in NY

First visit at 26,000 miles or 2 years; then every 26,000 miles or 2 years1


Interior
· Function check
· Check warning and indicator lamps, illumination and interior lighting
· Check windshield wiper, windshield washer system, headlamp cleaning system
· Check seat belts for damage and proper function
· Reset maintenance service counter in instrument cluster
· Replace dust filter (not applicable to SL-Class)
· Replace combination filter (SL-Class)
· Check parking brake (function test only)


Wheels, brakes
· Check condition/thickness of front and rear brake discs
· Check front and rear brake pads for lining thickness
· Check tires for damage and condition
· Measure tread depth, record in mm
· Correct tire inflation pressure
· Tire rotation2


Underside of Vehicle
· Check for major component leakage
· Check for chafe marks, line routing, damaged components
· Check condition of front axle ball joints and rubber boots
· Check condition of mechanical steering components


Engine Compartment
· Check for major components leakage
· Check for chafe marks, line routing, damaged components
· Check and replenish all fluid levels
· Engine oil and filter change
· Check engine cooling system, antifreeze and corrosion protection
· Check brake system
· Check power steering
· Check Active Body Control (S-Class, SL-Class and CL-Class)
· Check windshield washer system
· Check and correct battery fluid level
· Check battery condition
· Check catch, safety catch and hinges on engine hood for proper operation
· Check condition of poly V-belt


Trunk
· Correct tire inflation pressure in spare tire (S-Class, CL-Class)

1. Whichever comes first. Requires use of 229.5-spec oil and high-performance fleece oil filter. Every 10,000 miles for V-12 and AMG models. Driver is responsible for monitoring fluid levels and tire pressures between service visits. On E-Class models, see Maintenance Booklet for additional maintenance service types.

2. If your vehicle?s front and rear tires are different sizes (so they cannot be rotated), your dealer will inspect them and adjust their pressure for you.

[RLE]

Old tanktube starts out:

<<Porche owns 31% of VW>>

Watch your spelling. It's Porsche and it's Porsche Holdings SE that has a controlling interest in VAG.

<<Your 944 is non turbo engine. With 174 hp 4 cyl IL 0-60 mph time of over 9 seconds and is a VW engine design and the oil consumption varies from engine to engine.>>

Well, you've got the horsepower and accelleration numbers wrong and I'm dying to know where you got the idea that the engine has anything to do with VW. And thanks for the heads-up that it's not a Turbo. And here I've been puzzled why after those hundreds of laps at the track over the years, it hasn't exploded.

<<This means they recommend to check your oil every time you refuel, some engines burn oil some won't>>

Which was what the original poster finally admitted. Not ALL of them.

<<You have not prove NOTHING>>

English is not your first language, apparently.

[tanktube67]

English is not your first language, apparently.

^
Absolutely not but why you get so defensive
Absolutamente no pero porque tan defensivo
Absolut nicht aber, warum Sie so Defensive erhalten
Assolutamente non ma perchè ottenete così il defensive
Absolutamente não mas porque você começa assim o defensive
Absolument pas mais pourquoi vous obtenez ainsi la défensive