NEVER TELL ME YOU CAN'T....

money-one · 07-01-2009, 09:15 PM

Greetings all! Back once again to push the limits of your thinking on what is possible with the w202 chassis. For those of you not familiar with me I have been messing around with my car and others around me for a few years now and still going. First mod was the 5.5 n/a in my car. Then came my factory LSD swap from a 190e 16v to ensure all of it was getting to the ground. I grew tired of the power and my mind started to think of something else

Which brought about the making of (as far as I am aware of) the first N/A SL55 (completed about a week ago). If I knew how to put in links I would but they are there.This is basically a story of MY CAR up to this point.

April 1 2009: I was looking on ebay and randomly searching for things I then punched in mercedes supercharger. As I was scrolling down I saw this!!! After being told I wasn't going to buy it so stop saying you are by my friends I bid and so it began

April 14: The engine arrived during lunch at my job and I was so happy. I looked it over and made up a list of things I wanted/needed to replace. I intended to replace all seals and gaskets on the engine including the head gaskets.

April 18: I showed up to work and started at 7 in the morning and finished 4 in the evening

April 20: I woke up that morning like every morning and went to the gym close to my job to workout. Feeling good I left for work. The weather had changed to a horrible down pour. Taking the off ramp and going faster than need be I started to hydroplane and ended up in a guard rail

June 2: Finally get my car back a month and a couple of weeks later

I only managed to drive home once before the engine came out. During that month of down time I cleaned up the engine and modified the electronic by-pass valve (removed it), modified the S/C inlet to accept the larger 82mm TB.

June 5: The engine came out

June 6: Everything was swapped over fom the N/A to the S/C engined. A few things had to be modified

June 7: Re-pined the entire engine harness to accept the old ECU connectors

June 10: Engine was dropped back in

June 11-29: I have put an aftermarket trans cooler with built in temp switch and fan, relocated the air pump, installed oil cooler, installed heat exchanger with a johnson pump, converted the mechanical fan to an electronic on and randomly worked on it when I had time.

June 30 (yesterday): I pressure tested the coolant and one of the hoses blew off and got everything wet. The radiator is leaking from three punctures caused by the sh#ty aftermarket condensor with huge rivets. That was not going to stop me. Start that baby up!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdmZZp3AONQ

The squealing is from the coolant on the belts.

Enjoy

Jake

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money-one · 07-01-2009, 09:18 PM

Almost forgot

Thanks to all that helped

PJmak · 07-01-2009, 09:31 PM

cant wait to see what this baby can do

nlpamg · 07-01-2009, 10:10 PM

holy **** that's awesome. can't wait to see it finished!

blackbenzz · 07-01-2009, 10:13 PM

Awesome job Jake! When they say it can't be done you come through! This beast should haul ass!

TruTaing · 07-01-2009, 10:29 PM

You're SOO money

Z06EATER · 07-01-2009, 10:35 PM

damn thats sexy....IT'S ****IN SEXY!

silence · 07-01-2009, 10:46 PM

wow! incredibly cool. not sure why you chose to present it in such a cocky manner though.

PJmak · 07-01-2009, 10:48 PM

here we go...

C36ickness · 07-01-2009, 11:15 PM

MADE MY DREAM COME TRUE!!!! LOOKS AND IS INCREDIBLE! HOW IS THE KW SUSPENSION WORKING FOR YOU. AND DID YOU REPLACE THE TRANSMISSION TO OR STOCK C43 TRANSMISSION?

PJmak · 07-01-2009, 11:47 PM

worlds fastest 202 in the making

make sure you post everything you did coz Im doin this instead of a w210 5.4 N|A swap

AMS Performance · 07-02-2009, 12:06 AM

How much you buy the motor & accessories for in order to do the conversion? (if you don't mind me asking). Good luck on the conversion that will be a unique car.

splinter · 07-02-2009, 12:15 AM

Beautiful swap…almost like MB meant for it to be.

benz_addict · 07-02-2009, 12:35 AM

you crazy ******* what's my engine doing in your W202!
crazy job man keep us posted. Bookmarked

hooleyboy · 07-02-2009, 01:01 AM

I take it you are running the whole 55K engine on the stock 202 ecu?

My questions are: If you are running the 55k on the stock w202 ecu how are you going to control the bypass valve in from the pipeline to the intercooler. I made a block off plate and it works well.

Secondly is your supercharger going to be on all the time because the w202's ecu does not know how to control the SC clutch.

That brings me to your bypass valve on the side of your surge tank. I didnt have them at first and it chewed up the supercharger. However the bypass valve needs to be routed back to the pipeline if the supercharger is engaged all the time so when the throttle body is closes the blower has something to eat. Otherwise you can shock the supercharger and toast out the bearings.

If this is the case that the supercharger will be engaged all the time you are going to need two bypass valves. One per surge tank. Otherwise one side will have a more of a boost drop off than the other.

My bypass valve setup

MAF sensor: It might save you some time to run your MAF like I did. I tried many locations and my currant intake setup was the best spot for tuning purposes.

something like this:

or this

Good luck with the project it is going to be killer! If you have any questions let me know. If You need help tuning the car I just might have a file that will work for you

whipplem104 · 07-02-2009, 01:13 AM

Very cool. What are you going to do for tuning? Also is that a fmu on the surge tank or a bypass? I cannot tell from the picture. Should tear it up when you are done.

DTMc43 · 07-02-2009, 02:02 AM

That 202 is dope...clean swap, good luck with getting it finished up!

post some video footage of her when shes done

Yacht Master · 07-02-2009, 02:08 AM

You are going to love that K motor,

Flame3g · 07-02-2009, 02:49 AM

very nice keep up the good work

Thericker · 07-02-2009, 03:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by money-one

Greetings all! Back once again to push the limits of your thinking on what is possible with the w202 chassis. For those of you not familiar with me I have been messing around with my car and others around me for a few years now and still going. First mod was the 5.5 n/a in my car. Then came my factory LSD swap from a 190e 16v to ensure all of it was getting to the ground. I grew tired of the power and my mind started to think of something else

Which brought about the making of (as far as I am aware of) the first N/A SL55 (completed about a week ago). If I knew how to put in links I would but they are there.This is basically a story of MY CAR up to this point.

April 1 2009: I was looking on ebay and randomly searching for things I then punched in mercedes supercharger. As I was scrolling down I saw this!!! After being told I wasn't going to buy it so stop saying you are by my friends I bid and so it began

April 14: The engine arrived during lunch at my job and I was so happy. I looked it over and made up a list of things I wanted/needed to replace. I intended to replace all seals and gaskets on the engine including the head gaskets.

April 18: I showed up to work and started at 7 in the morning and finished 4 in the evening

April 20: I woke up that morning like every morning and went to the gym close to my job to workout. Feeling good I left for work. The weather had changed to a horrible down pour. Taking the off ramp and going faster than need be I started to hydroplane and ended up in a guard rail

June 2: Finally get my car back a month and a couple of weeks later

I only managed to drive home once before the engine came out. During that month of down time I cleaned up the engine and modified the electronic by-pass valve (removed it), modified the S/C inlet to accept the larger 82mm TB.

June 5: The engine came out

June 6: Everything was swapped over fom the N/A to the S/C engined. A few things had to be modified

June 7: Re-pined the entire engine harness to accept the old ECU connectors

June 10: Engine was dropped back in

June 11-29: I have put an aftermarket trans cooler with built in temp switch and fan, relocated the air pump, installed oil cooler, installed heat exchanger with a johnson pump, converted the mechanical fan to an electronic on and randomly worked on it when I had time.

June 30 (yesterday): I pressure tested the coolant and one of the hoses blew off and got everything wet. The radiator is leaking from three punctures caused by the sh#ty aftermarket condensor with huge rivets. That was not going to stop me. Start that baby up!!!!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdmZZp3AONQ

The squealing is from the coolant on the belts.

Enjoy

Jake

Finish install, add proper ECU, SLAP a stage 5 on that sumbeehawtch, & turn Dragtimes upsidedown!!!

BenzoBoi · 07-02-2009, 03:38 AM

WOW...AMAZING...

money-one · 07-02-2009, 07:31 AM

Thank you all for the comments!

The title is written up like that because of the people that were made aware of what i was going to do said "You can't do that. It's impossile. It wont fit. Your wasting your time. Is it going to run?"

Silence...This was not meant to come off as a cocky write up. Just a story line from start to this point in time. I was not even sure the engine would fit let alone fire up under its own stock ecu. I didn't want to start a thread as soon as I got the engine and down the road it not even work and have such an epic failure on my hands. Imagine this as a thread that started in april but condensed down to one.

Whip,Hooley.....As for tuning the car is currently runnig of the stock ECU. I just wanted to see if it woould fire up with no ecu mapping. I will be ordering an AEM FIC-8 to run along side of the stock ECU. As it stands I only have 4 current codes(egr solenoid..not hooked up, air switch over...not hooked up, T/b...???, and a stored T/b...???)

Whipplem104... That is a Vortech max flow bypass valve

Hooleyboy...The bypass is recirculating back into the lower part of the S/c inlet. I wish I would of contacted you before I drilled a gaping hole on my charge pipe then it would look as cool as yours with the tandeum setup. You and a few others on this forum gave me this idea and with yours running I said why not mine. I have pics of your write up saved to my laptop for reference and will look close to yours when completed.

C36ickness...I am still running the stock C43 trans but will be exchanged for 55k trans later when the car runs correctly. I just want one headache at a time

AMS...coming in under 10k. Keep in mind all modifications were done by me, so labor is free.

NitrogenBalance · 07-02-2009, 08:40 AM

Wow, us 202'er's have been trumped. Very impressed.

You should be rocking mid 11's no problem with that setup.

hooleyboy · 07-02-2009, 11:45 AM

Your stock ECU will run the car, so you can tune on it. Only down side is only the 55k cars know how to control the SC clutch. A simple 12V wire will engage it all the time. It makes for gobbs of TQ and power off the line.

I'm very interested in seeing what you come up with to solve some of the minor issues Like EGR and Air pump. I will get under my hood and try and score you some pics if you think they may help ya.

You car is going to rip thats for sure.

baldmike73 · 07-02-2009, 01:41 PM

dang makes me want to call my shop and tell them to clear a space in their garage and then go out and find a 55K motor! Once tuned it should walk most Kompressor cars since the 202 weighs probably about half of an CL, S, E

Keep the pics coming!

07-01-2009, 09:18 PM	#2
money-one Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: maryland Posts: 74 Drives: Black 98 C43/55	Almost forgot Thanks to all that helped __________________ 5.5L Engine conversion, Custom 3" exhaust, KW Variant II Suspension, Modified factory LSD, Factory Front 6 piston calipers, 2 piece rotors, Rear 4 piston ---12.9 @ 107 mph

07-01-2009, 09:31 PM	#3
PJmak Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 481 Drives: 98 C43 obs. black\2 tone int	cant wait to see what this baby can do __________________

07-01-2009, 10:10 PM	#4
nlpamg Super Moderator Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: So Cal. Posts: 6,699 Drives: '05 C230K SS & '08 ///M5	holy **** that's awesome. can't wait to see it finished! __________________ -Phil COD4 [mbw]

07-01-2009, 10:13 PM	#5
blackbenzz MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Maryland Posts: 7,747 Drives: 01 Kleemann CLK55, 99 CLK430	Awesome job Jake! When they say it can't be done you come through! This beast should haul ass! __________________ Run Your Car Not Your Mouth

07-01-2009, 10:29 PM	#6
TruTaing MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 2,005 Drives: w203 m112	You're SOO money __________________

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07-01-2009, 10:46 PM	#8
silence Super Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Rochester, MN Posts: 940 Drives: sounds like airplane	wow! incredibly cool. not sure why you chose to present it in such a cocky manner though. __________________ C43 w. boost and many custom modifications (actually custom) G35x and Tahoe for daily use- but I don't drive much... Specialized s-works, salsa mamasita, jamis komodo, redline monocog 29er

07-01-2009, 10:48 PM	#9
PJmak Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 481 Drives: 98 C43 obs. black\2 tone int	here we go... __________________

07-01-2009, 11:15 PM	#10
C36ickness Almost a Member! Join Date: May 2008 Posts: 37 Drives: C36 and C43///AMG	MADE MY DREAM COME TRUE!!!! LOOKS AND IS INCREDIBLE! HOW IS THE KW SUSPENSION WORKING FOR YOU. AND DID YOU REPLACE THE TRANSMISSION TO OR STOCK C43 TRANSMISSION?

07-01-2009, 11:47 PM	#11
PJmak Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 481 Drives: 98 C43 obs. black\2 tone int	worlds fastest 202 in the making make sure you post everything you did coz Im doin this instead of a w210 5.4 N\|A swap __________________

07-02-2009, 12:06 AM	#12
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07-02-2009, 12:15 AM	#13
splinter MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Hermosa Beach, CA Posts: 1,919 Drives: GMC	Beautiful swap…almost like MB meant for it to be.

07-02-2009, 12:35 AM	#14
benz_addict Super Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Toronto, Mississauga Posts: 943 Drives: CL55 ///AMG	you crazy ******* what's my engine doing in your W202! crazy job man keep us posted. Bookmarked

07-02-2009, 01:01 AM	#15
hooleyboy MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Glendale Arizona Posts: 2,697 Drives: my girlfrind crazy and the occasional Mercedes	I take it you are running the whole 55K engine on the stock 202 ecu? My questions are: If you are running the 55k on the stock w202 ecu how are you going to control the bypass valve in from the pipeline to the intercooler. I made a block off plate and it works well. Secondly is your supercharger going to be on all the time because the w202's ecu does not know how to control the SC clutch. That brings me to your bypass valve on the side of your surge tank. I didnt have them at first and it chewed up the supercharger. However the bypass valve needs to be routed back to the pipeline if the supercharger is engaged all the time so when the throttle body is closes the blower has something to eat. Otherwise you can shock the supercharger and toast out the bearings. If this is the case that the supercharger will be engaged all the time you are going to need two bypass valves. One per surge tank. Otherwise one side will have a more of a boost drop off than the other. My bypass valve setup MAF sensor: It might save you some time to run your MAF like I did. I tried many locations and my currant intake setup was the best spot for tuning purposes. something like this: or this Good luck with the project it is going to be killer! If you have any questions let me know. If You need help tuning the car I just might have a file that will work for you __________________ MODS AMG Lysholm supercharger MBH Long Tube Headers MBH 3" dual exhaust and... many other strange mods I am a proud sponsor of MBworld under MBH motorsports Forget the "Hammer" I've got a pneumatic nail gun. Last edited by hooleyboy; 07-02-2009 at 01:03 AM.

07-02-2009, 01:13 AM	#16
whipplem104 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: seattle Posts: 185 Drives: 1990 300ce supercharged and intercooled	Very cool. What are you going to do for tuning? Also is that a fmu on the surge tank or a bypass? I cannot tell from the picture. Should tear it up when you are done.

07-02-2009, 02:49 AM	#19
Flame3g MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Fairfield, Ca Posts: 1,122 Drives: CLK500 SPORT	very nice keep up the good work __________________ 2005 CLK500 2005 Suzuki Gsx-R1000 2008 C300 (Gone) Current Mods: None Yet (05 CLK55 Rear Bumper in storage) (H&R Springs in storage) Future Mods Headers/Quad Exhaust/D&S Rotors/ECU Tune/Wheels(to many options) /Black Ash Interior/Bilstein S&S/H&R Sway Bars/Powder Coated Calipers 2008 C Class Tail Lights for sale------> www.mbworld.org/forums/showthread.php?t=255493

07-02-2009, 02:02 AM	#17
DTMc43 Newbie Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: New York Posts: 12 Drives: 1999 c43 AMG	That 202 is dope...clean swap, good luck with getting it finished up! post some video footage of her when shes done

07-02-2009, 02:08 AM	#18
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07-02-2009, 03:38 AM	#21
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07-02-2009, 07:31 AM	#22
money-one Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: maryland Posts: 74 Drives: Black 98 C43/55	Thank you all for the comments! The title is written up like that because of the people that were made aware of what i was going to do said "You can't do that. It's impossile. It wont fit. Your wasting your time. Is it going to run?" Silence...This was not meant to come off as a cocky write up. Just a story line from start to this point in time. I was not even sure the engine would fit let alone fire up under its own stock ecu. I didn't want to start a thread as soon as I got the engine and down the road it not even work and have such an epic failure on my hands. Imagine this as a thread that started in april but condensed down to one. Whip,Hooley.....As for tuning the car is currently runnig of the stock ECU. I just wanted to see if it woould fire up with no ecu mapping. I will be ordering an AEM FIC-8 to run along side of the stock ECU. As it stands I only have 4 current codes(egr solenoid..not hooked up, air switch over...not hooked up, T/b...???, and a stored T/b...???) Whipplem104... That is a Vortech max flow bypass valve Hooleyboy...The bypass is recirculating back into the lower part of the S/c inlet. I wish I would of contacted you before I drilled a gaping hole on my charge pipe then it would look as cool as yours with the tandeum setup. You and a few others on this forum gave me this idea and with yours running I said why not mine. I have pics of your write up saved to my laptop for reference and will look close to yours when completed. C36ickness...I am still running the stock C43 trans but will be exchanged for 55k trans later when the car runs correctly. I just want one headache at a time AMS...coming in under 10k. Keep in mind all modifications were done by me, so labor is free. __________________ 5.5L Engine conversion, Custom 3" exhaust, KW Variant II Suspension, Modified factory LSD, Factory Front 6 piston calipers, 2 piece rotors, Rear 4 piston ---12.9 @ 107 mph Last edited by money-one; 07-02-2009 at 07:36 AM. Reason: forgot someone

07-02-2009, 08:40 AM	#23
NitrogenBalance MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Derry NH Posts: 1,373 Drives: 98' Supercharged C43	Wow, us 202'er's have been trumped. Very impressed. You should be rocking mid 11's no problem with that setup. __________________ Mods: Engine delete option http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...nce/HPSC43.jpg

07-02-2009, 11:45 AM	#24
hooleyboy MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Glendale Arizona Posts: 2,697 Drives: my girlfrind crazy and the occasional Mercedes	Your stock ECU will run the car, so you can tune on it. Only down side is only the 55k cars know how to control the SC clutch. A simple 12V wire will engage it all the time. It makes for gobbs of TQ and power off the line. I'm very interested in seeing what you come up with to solve some of the minor issues Like EGR and Air pump. I will get under my hood and try and score you some pics if you think they may help ya. You car is going to rip thats for sure. __________________ MODS AMG Lysholm supercharger MBH Long Tube Headers MBH 3" dual exhaust and... many other strange mods I am a proud sponsor of MBworld under MBH motorsports Forget the "Hammer" I've got a pneumatic nail gun.

07-02-2009, 01:41 PM	#25
baldmike73 MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 1,253 Drives: 04 E55, 99 C280 Sport, 10 Infiniti QX56	dang makes me want to call my shop and tell them to clear a space in their garage and then go out and find a 55K motor! Once tuned it should walk most Kompressor cars since the 202 weighs probably about half of an CL, S, E Keep the pics coming!

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