C36 Front Brakes

[steve s]

thanks. at least i know what kind of rotors i can use to replace mine. i ran into the same problem at the dealer in sf. none of the numbers u listed for a c36 regardless of year correspond to what i have. i assume you have access to the mb database or ease of access? Originally Posted by MarcusF Later C36 calipers appear as 0014203383 for the left and 0014203483 for the right. Those later calipers list for $950, and also fit a 1997 E420. too bad i didn't take the numbers off the calipers to find out where it came from. can you find out what e-class models (maybe the 1997 e420 again?) used the numbers 2104210712? seems like i'm always off by one number from the database. actually, the bigger question is do those "later c36" calipers match mine/look like mine?

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[mbsickness]

Yikes! These cars do seem to hold some interesting secrets. I have not seen those calipers on a C36 before. That certianly would make getting replacement parts difficult at best. I just ordered a set of rotors for my C36 and now I am a bit nervious that I will get the wrong parts. ah the joys of a limited production car.

[jayrasheed]

Originally Posted by MarcusF

Part number 2104210712 appears to have been superseded by part number 2034210312. 2034210312 is a rotor for a C230 (2002-2005), C240 (2001), and C320 (2001). They list for $63.

For discs, I show an early C36 as using a WA2024210112 on the left and a WA2024210212 on the right. They list for $190 each. I show the later C36 as using a 2104211712 (either side). Those list for $104 each. The early C36 calipers appear as WA2024210198 on the left and WA2024210298 on the right. $1100 each. Later C36 calipers appear as 0014203383 for the left and 0014203483 for the right. Those later calipers list for $950, and also fit a 1997 E420.

0044200220 pads appear as SLK230 (1998-2004) parts. Mercedes-Benz of Annapolis supplied the prices and applications. There may be other applications for those parts.

So i would assume the pic showing the silver AMG Caliper is expected to have a p/n WA2024210198 or WA2024210298 and will need the disks of P/n WA2024210112 / WA2024210212 ??
whats your say on this?

Ill try and take off the rim today and check the P/n of my disks and the AMG calipers i have on my 95 C36.

[MarcusF]

Originally Posted by jayrasheed

So i would assume the pic showing the silver AMG Caliper is expected to have a p/n WA2024210198 or WA2024210298 and will need the disks of P/n WA2024210112 / WA2024210212 ??
whats your say on this?

Ill try and take off the rim today and check the P/n of my disks and the AMG calipers i have on my 95 C36.

I can only say what parts the EPC says are on certain years/models.

Originally Posted by steve s

too bad i didn't take the numbers off the calipers to find out where it came from. can you find out what e-class models (maybe the 1997 e420 again?) used the numbers 2104210712? seems like i'm always off by one number from the database. actually, the bigger question is do those "later c36" calipers match mine/look like mine?

I've never owned a C36, so I don't know what they look like. I can only say what part numbers are listed. I show 2104211712 as the W210 E420 rotor.

[steve s]

thanx for the confirmation on the rotors marcus!

[mbsickness]

Well I just recieved my rotors and I hope they are the right ones. I'm going to install the new rotors and pads on the C36. The new rotors were void of any part numbers so we'll have to see if the ones I'm removing have any. I'll post any info I get....which I'm sure will throw more confusion into the mix at this point.

[jayrasheed]

Originally Posted by mbsickness

Well I just recieved my rotors and I hope they are the right ones. I'm going to install the new rotors and pads on the C36. The new rotors were void of any part numbers so we'll have to see if the ones I'm removing have any. I'll post any info I get....which I'm sure will throw more confusion into the mix at this point.

measure the rotor's diameter and thickness plz

[MarcusF]

W202 brake specs as listed in the WIS. It'll be intersting to see what the new ones are.

[steve s]

interesting...

my front says 22.0 mm min thickness.

also, didn't take off the rear wheels, but that list u made would indicate the later C36 models received non-ventilated/solid rotors compared to ventilated ones on earlier C36.

[mbsickness]

Alright, I finally found the time to take off the front wheel to see what I have in terms of rotors. First of all attached is a picture of the setup.



Part Number 210 421 17 12 with a minimum thickness of 25.4mm

Diameter of the rotor is 12.4 inches

[steve s]

fabulous, off by one number again

210 421 17 12 vs 210 421 07 12 for me

[jayrasheed]

Here is what i have on my 95 C36AMG. Will be changing the pads very soon so ill properly measure the rotors.

J's N97 Photo142.jpg

[MarcusF]

Originally Posted by steve s

interesting...

my front says 22.0 mm min thickness.

also, didn't take off the rear wheels, but that list u made would indicate the later C36 models received non-ventilated/solid rotors compared to ventilated ones on earlier C36.

I got that info from the WIS. Anyone with a late C36 (September 1995 and later build date) have ventilated rear rotors? Anyone with an early C36 have solid rears?

I really should redo that page. I laid it out eactly as it's displayed in the WIS, and that is not the most readable format.

[mbsickness]

Anyone with a late C36 (September 1995 and later build date) have ventilated rear rotors? Anyone with an early C36 have solid rears?

I checked and I have solid rotors. My build date is 9/95 so it seems your chart is correct.

Through this discussion and from what I have seen looking for C36 parts it seems that the "95" calipers are four pot and have the AMG logo engraved/cast into the caliper. The 96/97 calipers are also the four pot variety but are void of the AMG logo. Then comes the floating single piston which is the head scratcher.

[v0ac]

how come you guys front rotors not label AMG?

here's a fast picture of mine ( iPhone pic )

[steve s]

more parts-bin add ons, lego style i guess

[v0ac]

Huh? those are actually oem rotors from amg...not fake one like most of people here put on lol

[mbsickness]

Originally Posted by v0ac

Huh? those are actually oem rotors from amg...not fake one like most of people here put on lol

I bet you have a C43....those did come with AMG logo.

[v0ac]

negative, I owna c180 esprit and believe it's the best car in the world !
just like you c36 owners

[BenzMaster19]

Originally Posted by v0ac

negative, I owna c180 esprit and believe it's the best car in the world !
just like you c36 owners

LMAO, Stupidiest post ever!
Excuse me, but what was the purpose of that post anyways?? What does a "C180" have to do with the 202 AMG's??
What makes YOUR C43 the best?? Let alone the "C43" in general over any other AMG...??
You want AMG rotors?? Go to your local dealership. Simple. Your C43 is not the only "special" C43 with AMG Rotors you know?? LOL.
Every AMG is special in their own way, Hence why they are AMG's! So keep the to a minimum bro,,, I know its hard...

[steve s]

Originally Posted by v0ac

..not fake one like most of people here put on lol

while i appreciate u posting info regarding c43 brakes, they seem to be the same across all c43 regardless of year or time built; single sliding on 13+ rotors. how can 30k original miles on factory rotors since 1996 be fake? we're just trying to figure out why there are so many differences for c36. don't be douche

[mbsickness]

Originally Posted by MarcusF

I got that info from the WIS. Anyone with a late C36 (September 1995 and later build date) have ventilated rear rotors? Anyone with an early C36 have solid rears?

I really should redo that page. I laid it out eactly as it's displayed in the WIS, and that is not the most readable format.

Hey Marcus, can you look up something on the WIS? Last night I tried to install 96-97 C36 front calipers and rotors on my 94 C280 and they did not fit. Can you see if a 96 C36 and a 94 C280 share the same steering knuckle? Or if they share the same hub? One of the two parts is different and is causing the clearence problems. Thanks.

[v0ac]

lol?
how many threads you see on '' where can I buy cheap rotors '', cause they go at dealer and start to cry when they see the real price.

true i'm off topic, but who cares,
how is my post stupid? don't be rude.

I know you love me

[MarcusF]

Originally Posted by mbsickness

Hey Marcus, can you look up something on the WIS? Last night I tried to install 96-97 C36 front calipers and rotors on my 94 C280 and they did not fit. Can you see if a 96 C36 and a 94 C280 share the same steering knuckle? Or if they share the same hub? One of the two parts is different and is causing the clearence problems. Thanks.

It looks like all W202's share the same left and right steering knuckle. Those parts are 2023300020 (left) and 2023300120 (right). The hub slips on the knuckle and the rotor bolts to the hub. There are different hubs, which may be why you had trouble bolting late brakes to your early hubs. The early hub is a 2023300025, and the later hub is a 2103300325. The late hubs also appear to fit the W208, W210 (no 4matic), and R170. Hubs have a dealer list of $230 per side. Pelican has the late hubs for $135.

Too bad Wilwood doesn't make those late hubs . . . . . . . .

[mbsickness]

Thanks Marcus. I suspected as much and was really hoping that the difference was in the hubs and not the knuckle. At this point I am in too far to not see this through and will be getting some late hubs.