C36 Front Brakes

steve s · 10-16-2009, 01:50 AM

can I see pics of your c36 front brakes?

mine is equipped with ate single piston calipers, using A0044200220 pads; these look like regular w202 brakes. clearly not the 4-piston calipers from the then-SL600. both mb-usa and the local mb dealer have given me the brush-off when BOTH their technical databases show I'm supposed to have the 4-piston. the local mb dealer guy was even a mechanic b4 he moved to service manager, and while talking, did not seem as knowledgeable as he thinks he is. i've seen those 4-piston calipers on a black 95 c36 just once, but i've yet to see anything like mine. so i'd like to have more confirmations b4 i proceed any further.

pretty pretty please? thanx!!

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edemac8 · 10-16-2009, 02:33 AM

Just pm'd you. Sorry for the late response.

kinghais · 10-16-2009, 03:30 AM

i hope this helps--->>>>Brake Caliper Paint

steve s · 10-16-2009, 05:17 PM

thanks!

the powdercoated C43 front brakes looks similar to what i have, just a tiny little different. the spring clip is on top/across the caliper instead of below the caliper. i am surprised his is not the sl600 brakes either (i wonder if he knows).

i was more expecting this in my car..

jayrasheed · 10-16-2009, 06:42 PM

early 36s had the ate AMG 4 pistons, 43s have larger single piston brakes. bu dunno if late 36s had something like the 43. thats what i know abt it.

Also heard that some early 36s had special rotors and calipers that are very expensive so hope more info shows up in this thread.
mine has like the AMG in the pic above but painted red, even the rears are red.

BenzMaster19 · 10-16-2009, 07:12 PM

The '95's had the AMG brakes that look similiar to the pic above in blue. The '96 and '97's had the SL600 4 Piston front brakes, and E420 rear brakes Just like those in Silver above.

jayrasheed · 10-16-2009, 07:39 PM

ok but then that means the ones in blue are larger and the more rare and expensive ones.
That must be for a reason, i would say they perform better.
Not that the 4 piston ones are any weak ones but u get the point.

BenzMaster19 · 10-16-2009, 07:48 PM

Rarer? Yes. Perform better? I doubt it! Dont get fooled by pictures alone my friend...

steve s · 10-16-2009, 08:24 PM

man... this is just getting so darn messed up. mine is 96 model, and it does not have the SL600 4-piston ones

steve s · 10-16-2009, 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BenzMaster19

The '95's had the AMG brakes that look similiar to the pic above in blue. The '96 and '97's had the SL600 4 Piston front brakes, and E420 rear brakes Just like those in Silver above.

and the 95 c36 i saw in davis, it had the sl600 4-piston ones

jayrasheed · 10-17-2009, 02:47 AM

so what rotor size does the 36 with the 4 pistons use?

steve s · 10-17-2009, 04:39 AM

i believe it's supposed to be 12.6 inches. i have no idea what size i have on mine until i get back to sf and take off the wheel to measure.

v0ac · 10-17-2009, 12:08 PM

danm, at least 95' C36 brake caliper looks nice !
the C43 one is so *gly...

apart from the look..wich one as a better braking power?

BenzMaster19 · 10-17-2009, 02:35 PM

Yeah the SL600 front rotors are 12.6 inch up front and 10.9 inches in the rear. Braking power on the C43 is 2 feet better then the C36 keeping in mind the C43 is LIGHTER then the C36 by 89 pounds.

steve s · 10-18-2009, 02:05 AM

iirc, those 4-caliper ones from sl600 should be steel units rather than aluminum.. that makes them pretty darn heavy and increases unsprung weight. but the single caliper probably has more flex..

PJmak · 10-18-2009, 03:19 AM

c43 has 13.2'' rotors in front with 4 piston calipers and 11.8'' rotors in the rear

60 to zero in 95 feet

I have no idea what c36s have, I know not all ofem have smae brakes

MarcusF · 10-18-2009, 03:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PJmak

c43 has 13.2'' rotors in front with 4 piston calipers and 11.8'' rotors in the rear

60 to zero in 95 feet

I have no idea what c36s have, I know not all ofem have smae brakes

95 feet? From 60 MPH? Are you sure? The reason I ask is I've never seen a street car that stops from 60 MPH in less than 100 feet. A Ferrari Enzo takes 109 feet to stop from 60. Better braking than an Enzo?

PJmak · 10-18-2009, 04:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MarcusF

95 feet? From 60 MPH? Are you sure? The reason I ask is I've never seen a street car that stops from 60 MPH in less than 100 feet. A Ferrari Enzo takes 109 feet to stop from 60. Better braking than an Enzo?

yep heres a video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNqg8...er_profilepage

Im sure enzo was tested from 70mph like most newer cars

mbsickness · 10-18-2009, 05:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve s

iirc, those 4-caliper ones from sl600 should be steel units rather than aluminum.. that makes them pretty darn heavy and increases unsprung weight. but the single caliper probably has more flex..

I can attest that the calipers are heavy as I have a set from a 96 C36 that are about to get transplanted to my C280. The calipers for the 95 C36 are the same as the 96/97 units in the sense that they are the SL600 units. The 95 differs in that it was modified to accomodate larger rotors that were specific to the 95 year model. I have a copy of the technical bulletin on the 95 C36 and it specifies the clearencing of the calipers and hose connection modification of the SL600 units. Steve S I live in San Fran myself and have a 96 C36 so let me know if you would like to check out the brake in person.

v0ac · 10-18-2009, 12:25 PM

Yes make sense 95 feet for C43,
I remember when i had my C230 Kompressor 99' , my mecanic had a C43 99' he bought brand new ( this is where i decided to buy mine :P ) and he stated me that it's written in manual a C43 brake better then a ferrari, wich was the reference in braking power at that time

When i install new oem amg brake disc front and rear..the front amg one weight 24 lbs EACH! pretty heavy..but danm they are sexy lol. each of them with amg logo on it!

this makes me think..alot of people here buy those cars and then look for cheap aftermarket price for stuff like brake etc...you just don't deserve an amg if you do so! lol

sorry if my english is bad, i'm french :P

BenzMaster19 · 10-18-2009, 01:18 PM

"Its 112 ft stopping distance from 60 mph is good enough to topple a Ferrari F355." ie. (worlds fastest sedans page)

steve s · 10-18-2009, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbsickness

Steve S I live in San Fran myself and have a 96 C36 so let me know if you would like to check out the brake in person.

that would be sweet, thanx! pm'd u

MarcusF · 10-18-2009, 11:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by PJmak

yep heres a video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNqg8...er_profilepage

Im sure enzo was tested from 70mph like most newer cars

You're mistaken regarding the Enzo. According to Ferrari North America, the Enzo stops in 109 feet from sixty miles per hour. I never reviewed the C43, and don't have any Mercedes Benz press kits from 1999, so you may be right. It just might have the best brakes on the planet, which is what's required to stop in 95 feet from 60 MPH.

That's shorter than a Ferrari F430 (114 feet), Ferrari 599 GTB (109 feet), Audi R8 (112 feet), Lambo Gallardo (112 feet), SLR (107 feet), and a 911 GT3 RS (115 feet).

The car with the best brakes I know of is the Corvette ZR1. The ZR1 takes 106 feet to stop from 60 MPH.

BenzMaster19 · 10-18-2009, 11:16 PM

The C43 stops 60-0 in 112 feet...

mbsickness · 10-19-2009, 02:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve s

thanks!

i was more expecting this in my car..

This looks like what my C36 has except for the AMG logo. On my calipers there are some random numbers and an ate logo.

10-16-2009, 03:30 AM	#3
kinghais Senior Member Join Date: May 2008 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 269 Drives: 1995 C36 ///AMG	i hope this helps--->>>>Brake Caliper Paint __________________

10-16-2009, 05:17 PM	#4
steve s MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 1,522 Drives: 1996 C36 AMG, 1995 Volvo 850 Turbowagon	thanks! the powdercoated C43 front brakes looks similar to what i have, just a tiny little different. the spring clip is on top/across the caliper instead of below the caliper. i am surprised his is not the sl600 brakes either (i wonder if he knows). i was more expecting this in my car.. __________________ 1996 c36 amg stock 1995 850 Turbowagon

10-16-2009, 06:42 PM	#5
jayrasheed Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lebanon Posts: 70 Drives: 1995 C 36 AMG; 1992 W124 300E (M103 Ex Mosselman TT KIT) was 320hp @10psi now stock :(	early 36s had the ate AMG 4 pistons, 43s have larger single piston brakes. bu dunno if late 36s had something like the 43. thats what i know abt it. Also heard that some early 36s had special rotors and calipers that are very expensive so hope more info shows up in this thread. mine has like the AMG in the pic above but painted red, even the rears are red. __________________ __________________ Jay, ----------------- -1996 Blue W202 C36 AMG (Lulu) -1995 Black W140 S500 (Lady) -1992 Black W124 E300 (Dima) (Ex-Mosselman Twin turbo Kit). -1988 Black W124 300 E 4-Matic.(Nadeen) -1983 Brown W126 500SEL.(Old Lady) (Sold) -1981 Gold W123 280CE.(Dareen) http://www.youtube.com/user/jayrasheed

10-16-2009, 07:12 PM	#6
BenzMaster19 Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 57 Drives: C36 AMG	The '95's had the AMG brakes that look similiar to the pic above in blue. The '96 and '97's had the SL600 4 Piston front brakes, and E420 rear brakes Just like those in Silver above. __________________

10-16-2009, 07:39 PM	#7
jayrasheed Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lebanon Posts: 70 Drives: 1995 C 36 AMG; 1992 W124 300E (M103 Ex Mosselman TT KIT) was 320hp @10psi now stock :(	ok but then that means the ones in blue are larger and the more rare and expensive ones. That must be for a reason, i would say they perform better. Not that the 4 piston ones are any weak ones but u get the point. __________________ __________________ Jay, ----------------- -1996 Blue W202 C36 AMG (Lulu) -1995 Black W140 S500 (Lady) -1992 Black W124 E300 (Dima) (Ex-Mosselman Twin turbo Kit). -1988 Black W124 300 E 4-Matic.(Nadeen) -1983 Brown W126 500SEL.(Old Lady) (Sold) -1981 Gold W123 280CE.(Dareen) http://www.youtube.com/user/jayrasheed

10-16-2009, 02:33 AM	#2
edemac8 Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Bay Area Ca. Posts: 34 Drives: '97 c36 amg	Just pm'd you. Sorry for the late response.

10-16-2009, 07:48 PM	#8
BenzMaster19 Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 57 Drives: C36 AMG	Rarer? Yes. Perform better? I doubt it! Dont get fooled by pictures alone my friend... __________________

10-16-2009, 08:24 PM	#9
steve s MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 1,522 Drives: 1996 C36 AMG, 1995 Volvo 850 Turbowagon	man... this is just getting so darn messed up. mine is 96 model, and it does not have the SL600 4-piston ones __________________ 1996 c36 amg stock 1995 850 Turbowagon

10-17-2009, 02:47 AM	#11
jayrasheed Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Lebanon Posts: 70 Drives: 1995 C 36 AMG; 1992 W124 300E (M103 Ex Mosselman TT KIT) was 320hp @10psi now stock :(	so what rotor size does the 36 with the 4 pistons use? __________________ __________________ Jay, ----------------- -1996 Blue W202 C36 AMG (Lulu) -1995 Black W140 S500 (Lady) -1992 Black W124 E300 (Dima) (Ex-Mosselman Twin turbo Kit). -1988 Black W124 300 E 4-Matic.(Nadeen) -1983 Brown W126 500SEL.(Old Lady) (Sold) -1981 Gold W123 280CE.(Dareen) http://www.youtube.com/user/jayrasheed

10-17-2009, 04:39 AM	#12
steve s MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 1,522 Drives: 1996 C36 AMG, 1995 Volvo 850 Turbowagon	i believe it's supposed to be 12.6 inches. i have no idea what size i have on mine until i get back to sf and take off the wheel to measure. __________________ 1996 c36 amg stock 1995 850 Turbowagon

10-17-2009, 12:08 PM	#13
v0ac Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 128 Drives: LowC43 AMG RENNtech & E55	danm, at least 95' C36 brake caliper looks nice ! the C43 one is so *gly... apart from the look..wich one as a better braking power? __________________

10-17-2009, 02:35 PM	#14
BenzMaster19 Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 57 Drives: C36 AMG	Yeah the SL600 front rotors are 12.6 inch up front and 10.9 inches in the rear. Braking power on the C43 is 2 feet better then the C36 keeping in mind the C43 is LIGHTER then the C36 by 89 pounds. __________________

10-18-2009, 02:05 AM	#15
steve s MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 1,522 Drives: 1996 C36 AMG, 1995 Volvo 850 Turbowagon	iirc, those 4-caliper ones from sl600 should be steel units rather than aluminum.. that makes them pretty darn heavy and increases unsprung weight. but the single caliper probably has more flex.. __________________ 1996 c36 amg stock 1995 850 Turbowagon Last edited by steve s; 10-18-2009 at 02:46 AM.

10-18-2009, 03:19 AM	#16
PJmak Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Posts: 486 Drives: 98 C43 obs. black\2 tone int	c43 has 13.2'' rotors in front with 4 piston calipers and 11.8'' rotors in the rear 60 to zero in 95 feet I have no idea what c36s have, I know not all ofem have smae brakes __________________

10-18-2009, 12:25 PM	#20
v0ac Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 128 Drives: LowC43 AMG RENNtech & E55	Yes make sense 95 feet for C43, I remember when i had my C230 Kompressor 99' , my mecanic had a C43 99' he bought brand new ( this is where i decided to buy mine :P ) and he stated me that it's written in manual a C43 brake better then a ferrari, wich was the reference in braking power at that time When i install new oem amg brake disc front and rear..the front amg one weight 24 lbs EACH! pretty heavy..but danm they are sexy lol. each of them with amg logo on it! this makes me think..alot of people here buy those cars and then look for cheap aftermarket price for stuff like brake etc...you just don't deserve an amg if you do so! lol sorry if my english is bad, i'm french :P __________________

10-18-2009, 01:18 PM	#21
BenzMaster19 Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 57 Drives: C36 AMG	"Its 112 ft stopping distance from 60 mph is good enough to topple a Ferrari F355." ie. (worlds fastest sedans page) __________________

10-18-2009, 11:16 PM	#24
BenzMaster19 Junior Member Join Date: May 2009 Posts: 57 Drives: C36 AMG	The C43 stops 60-0 in 112 feet... __________________

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