evosport and Powerchip Stage 1 C63 ECU Tune and Development

[MACHC5]

Brad, It sounds like (2) drivers couldn't stay on track and went into the grass & dirt a few times and (1) driver stayed on course... Originally Posted by otoupalik Well it is easy. About 6 years ago, we took apart 3 race BMW motors that had very little mileage (one 5 hours and one 15 hours) and both looked like the cyl walls were bead blasted. Both had K&N filters. Another motor of the same build with another brand had no cyl wall damage. Upon further examiniation, it was found that when K&N makes their filters, they FOLD the pleats as opposed to round them. In fact, this was why a lead engineer left K&N and started AFE - just to have ROUNDED edges. When you fold them, they will not filter to the same level any longer. It is for this reason that the only pleated gauze filters that we use are BMC, Green or AFE. Just because you have not had a problem does not mean it is not a potential problem, remember that. Would be interested in the test, but the reason that we do not use K&N has nothing to do with HP, but with reliability and safety for the power plant (see above). thanks brad

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[otoupalik]

Originally Posted by MACHC5

Brad,
It sounds like (2) drivers couldn't stay on track and went into the grass & dirt a few times and (1) driver stayed on course...

Nope, I wish it was something that simple. None of the cars were off track. We were at a dusty course though, and there was much dirt in the air.

[jknust]

Sorry if this is posted somewhere else, but I could not find an obvious answer. Would this (or any of the other) ECU tunes affect or void the MB Factory Warranty?

Would not be a good day to have something like a transmission issue, take it to dealer, then get the "you're on your own b/c of the ECU tune" song.

BTW, $25 per HP is pretty good pricing.

Thanks in advance.

[MRAMG1]

Originally Posted by otoupalik

Well it is easy. About 6 years ago, we took apart 3 race BMW motors that had very little mileage (one 5 hours and one 15 hours) and both looked like the cyl walls were bead blasted. Both had K&N filters. Another motor of the same build with another brand had no cyl wall damage.

Upon further examiniation, it was found that when K&N makes their filters, they FOLD the pleats as opposed to round them. In fact, this was why a lead engineer left K&N and started AFE - just to have ROUNDED edges. When you fold them, they will not filter to the same level any longer.

It is for this reason that the only pleated gauze filters that we use are BMC, Green or AFE.

Just because you have not had a problem does not mean it is not a potential problem, remember that.

Would be interested in the test, but the reason that we do not use K&N has nothing to do with HP, but with reliability and safety for the power plant (see above).

thanks
brad

Well Brad, I can tell you that my crew chief and I ripped apart an engine with 76,000 miles of road racing abuse that used K/N's and Mobil 1 with NO detectable wear. So I guess you can say that I am a BIG believer in them.

I would like to know what type of housing the K/N's were on those BMW's? I can not/will not believe it was the filter allowing that much dirt through that caused your cylinder wall damage. I would be more inclined to believe it was a E46 engine that hand some of BMW's lovely sand left in them from the manufacturing plant my friend. You know that one that BMW gave everybody a free 100,000 mile warranty on because of THEIR mistake at the plant.

In my 24 years of K/N use, both on street and racing, I have NEVER seen or heard about a SINGLE problem. And yes this includes that BS about MAF's, which the car above had. Well it sophisis to say that we disagree on yet another issue my friend.

See yeah

PS: Again, I do not nor have I ever had any vested issues with K/N other that one COMPLETLY satisfied customer

[otoupalik]

I am glad to hear that you have not had problems. There are many e46 m3 S54 engines out there that never spun bearings too. That does not mean that the engine was not problematic. We deal over a hundreds race cars/track cars a year and most likely pull from a greater pool of data then one car.

You cannot argue with the folded vs. rolled edges, it is not subjective but fact. Google it, you will see more info for sure.

BTW, the engines in question were M50 and m52 (e36 M3) motors, not S54.

Again, I am very happy you have not had any issues. If you like that brand, feel free to continue using it. I did not go after that brand, I was simply replying as to why we opt for other brands. That is the great thing about the free market, people are free to buy and do what they want.

This thread is really not about arguing over filters.

Thanks
Brad

[MRAMG1]

Originally Posted by otoupalik

This thread is really not about arguing over filters.

Thanks
Brad

Well said my friend

And CONGRADULATIONS on the outstanding job with you tune.

Thanks for keeping it friendly as always

See yeah

[otoupalik]

Originally Posted by jknust

Sorry if this is posted somewhere else, but I could not find an obvious answer. Would this (or any of the other) ECU tunes affect or void the MB Factory Warranty?

Would not be a good day to have something like a transmission issue, take it to dealer, then get the "you're on your own b/c of the ECU tune" song.

BTW, $25 per HP is pretty good pricing.

Thanks in advance.

Good question and the answer is far from simple.

There are many factors that go into this:

• Dealer: Each dealer is an independent business, not owned by MBZ USA. So some dealers are much better when dealing with aftermarket mods then others. Try to find a dealer that is friendly. Best bet is to talk to the tuner you buy from and see if they have a referral. We sell to a number of dealers across the nation so that might help.
• Law: there is a law on the federal books (Magnasson-Moss) that states that the factory or a dealer cannot void in part or whole your warranty unless the modification in question reasonably caused the problem at hand. So the law is on your side, you just need to know this terminology sometimes when dealing with the dealerships.
• Products: Best bet is to buy products that are engineered well and work with the factory systems. One great thing about our software tunes is that they are invisible to the dealer, so they will have no way to know that your car has them!

Hope this helps!

Thanks
brad

[otoupalik]

Originally Posted by MRAMG1

Well said my friend

And CONGRADULATIONS on the outstanding job with you tune.

Thanks for keeping it friendly as always

See yeah

LOL - thanks. It should be friendly. This is just a discussion, some take it WAY too serious. We are all entitled to a difference of opinion, and only through friendly discussion do the general members and those involved have a chance to learn something!

That is the POINT and the REASON that we started this site!

Thanks for the nice words!

Brad

[jknust]

Originally Posted by otoupalik

....One great thing about our software tunes is that they are invisible to the dealer, so they will have no way to know that your car has them!

Thanks, this helps.

I guess I was thinking of the suggestion from another to say "don't write to ECU" or something like that, so as not to lose the ECU Tune. Well, I figured that would be a dead giveaway; and opportunity for someone to deny some warranty claim. Also, without disclosing it, I would always wonder if I go in for warranty work if they would do an ECU update, but not tell me. Of course, you can probably do the butt dyno after getting the car back, but you know how the mind plays tricks and you might wonder if they flashed the ECU or not for a bit.... would there be any way at all for us to tell?

Thanks.

[otoupalik]

There is no way to know for sure. But the two things that I look for are driving feel and also read the invoice from the dealer. If they flashed the DME, it *should* be written there (not all dealers are as good with paperwork, but it should).

thanks
brad

[reelgr]

sweet mod!

[nrgy]

Any updates on the Long Tube Headers for the C63? Are these still in the works? ETA? What will your price point be for these? I've been waiting for these to be released before doing anything ECU wise.

Also, have you completed the Stage 2 tune you mentioned in your first post?

Thanks.

[otoupalik]

The update on the LT for the 63 is that we are 99% not making them.

The fitment from chassis to chassis is quite different. In that a BS header will not fit a C63, etc.

We are about 1-2 weeks from releasing a proper x-pipe mid section though!

S2 tuning is done.

thanks
brad

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[gravedgr]

Originally Posted by c32used

You felt it necessary to update a sticky with nothing other than a popcorn smiley?

[c32used]

Originally Posted by gravedgr

You felt it necessary to update a sticky with nothing other than a popcorn smiley?

You obviously have an issue. I didn't know this part of the forum is meant one writes something to contribute when a person has interests in something Keep your ignorant posts to my not writing something and leaving a to PMs not on the board where everyone can see your ignorance

[Carcrazy1]

do the powerchips really affect your performance sorry for being a novice but can you really let me know abt it?

[Simon @ evosport]

Originally Posted by Carcrazy1

do the powerchips really affect your performance sorry for being a novice but can you really let me know abt it?

Absolutely. Go here and it will answer all your answers:
http://evosport.powerchipgroup.com


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[C63newdude]

I am not trying to poke on the wound but what do you guys think when someone tried your product and make no gains:

Kleemann ECU Tune Results

[otoupalik]

I think that there is much more to that story than meets the eye. We have never had a car not make any gain. It is true that sometimes some cars need a tweak (each car is slightly different), but no gain is hard to believe.

Further, Powerchip has a 14 day $ back performance guarantee, so if it was true, than that user did not have $2K down the drain as he wrote, as he could have easily gotten his money back.

Now, realizing that this was a year ago, it is possible that the gains to be had then were not the same as now. A lot has happened in a year.

Even more than that however, please look at the CLK63 Black Series threads and see all of the cars that evosport/powerchip has flashed with amazing gains. Powerchip was the first on the market with this, and we have been more than satisfied with the results.

I don't know the details for that E63, as he was not an evosport customer, but I do know that our customers are happy. I also know that with ANY tuner, you will find stories of how the software did not work - and we will never know the details or motivations of those posters. Some are legit for sure, some are certainly suspect.

thanks
Brad