jstefanop

iTrader: (1)

I dont understand why MB insists that you dont need to change the factory break in oil at 1k miles (dont even get me started on the 10k oil change intervals).

If anyone thinks or believes MB when they say an oil change after break in is not necessary check out the pics below.

I just changed my oil after 1112 miles on the odometer, below are pics of a sample of the oil that came out.

All those little sparkle things are tiny specs of metal that are a by product of the break in process, and your oil is full of it after you have broken in your car. You defiantly dont want all those metal particles circulating in your engine for 10k miles.

Unbreakable1

im at 2500 miles...looks like im gonna be gettn an oil change reaaaaaaaal soon...

Sincity

Good to know. Time to head out to the dealer and get some filters. Which oil did you go with? The old M1 0w/40 229.5 SPEC or the new ESP or something like that?

gsrjc

I always change the oil for brand new cars at 1000 miles no matter if I have to pay for it.

Glock Guru

Just drop in a new filter at 5K (between Changes) and you will be in good shape.

-Troy

Sincity

The Glock is back!!!

yaymitch

Paid for it and insisted dealer change oil at 1k. Glad I did it.

jstefanop

iTrader: (1)

Stuck with the M1 0w-40 as thats what the AMG guys over at the private lounge are saying to use.

Sincity

Good. Even Wallymart carries M1 0w-40.

lomita

How did you drive your engine the first thousand miles?

220S

Why don't you (or didn't you) get a UOA done? That will tell you everything. I'd be interesting to really know (can't tell just by looking)

jstefanop

iTrader: (1)

I broke it in per the manual...no aggressive driving or revs past 4.5k. I did let her rip multiple times the last 200 or so miles though.

desmo996

So how often and at what intervals should you change the oil if you decide not to follow MB's recomendations?

propain

That came out of the pan or the filter?

///M3Lover

The dealerships are always trying to screw you over.

I do an oil change at every 6000-7000km, (3700-4350 miles). I've never trusted dealerships advice.

220S

This has NOTHING to do with the dealer. It has to do with the mfg, aka Daimler AG. Changing the oil less often has nothing to do with the dealer screwing you over.

3-4k OCIs and you are throwing money down the drain and screwing the environment.

People need to study up about oil. One more time to the OP: why don't you do a UOA? It's inexpensive and it will tell you what's going on for certain. Now is a good opportunity to find out.

ps, the shavings are normal, of course. The filter oil will have tons. I do change break-in oil earlier than mfgs recommended and filter, too. Here's a random Blackstone report attached as a .pdf.

I did them (UOAs) every time I changed oil (on my P-car) for a couple of years just to learn the best intervals and what really was happening with my oil.

bhamg

Although my C63 is still brand new, I have done 4 UOA's on M1 0w-40 in an E39 M5. Without getting into specifics other than to say that the performance fell into the "very good=good enough" category re. wear metals, my recommendations based on those UOA's are:

If your engine consumes little oil between changes, change oil and filter at 6K miles.

If you need say, 3 qts of makeup oil over a 6K miles period, feel free to stretch it out a little, to 8K miles. Do not go the full 10K, though, as I have done it once and did not like the results of that UOA (remember, in a different engine).

IMHO.

220S

As you mentioned different engine, different environment, different driving, different everything, etc. And fuel use (fuel soot and dilution, etc..) Which is why each UOA is not applicable to any car except for that specific car and that time in which the test was done.

ps what were the results you "didn't like" ? Did the TBN drop that low from the original? Or what else?

desmo996

So what is the recommended first oil and filter change interval? About 6K?

And following that how frequently?

bhamg

TBN was fine due to makeup oil added, but bearing wear metals were too high for comfort.

Glock Guru

Ya baby, locked and loaded!

jstefanop

iTrader: (1)

I dont need to do a UOA on the first oil change because I know whats going on. Compare the oil in my pictures to any oil change after the initial break in and you wont find the oil filled with metal particles like that.

A UOA after oil has been in an engine for 1k miles will obviously tell you that the oil is still fine...thats not the point I am trying to make. Its the fact that those metal particles are circulating in your engine and can cause damage if left in there for 10k miles like MB recommends.

GBlansten

Those metal particles help toughen the engine up. I don't want some pansy V8. Bring me one that has been burnished with fire and metal.

220S

No, I do understand what you are saying. Don't get me wrong, I know the point you're trying to make. And I agree. But the UOA will tell you if you've got really excessive wear metals. That's all I was trying to imply. Maybe there's an issue going on(?)

fwiw, I changed my oil just about at 1k because the build date was last summer '08. The car (2009 E63) was sitting on the dealer's lot for almost a year (bought it in late May '09) But my oil didn't look like that. I also didn't bother with a UOA because I knew the TBN would be okay. But I didn't have that kind of obvious visible metal content. I didn't cut up the filter to look, either.

I'm doing another change this weekend (with about 2.5k) and then will go into my usual OCI from that point on.

I'm confused with that(?) What are you saying? That your particles are excessive? That any oil change after 1k won't have the amount that your oil has? Or do you really mean a change at 10K+(?) I don't follow.

lomita

It would be nice to know exactly what the particles are wouldn't it? It's not so obvious to me, now that you have mentioned it, how come there are NOT coming back to us, a whole slew of C63 AMG owners with damaged engine reports after 10,000 miles?

When you did the oil change, and I assume you personally did the oil change yourself, what did the oil filter look like? How come the filter didn't catch all these particles. Apparently the filter is doing its job, and the size of the particles do not appear to be a factor, as you put it, circulating through the engine!

Well, maybe those krauts don't know what the hell they're doing after all and only have half the smarts we give them credit for. I sure like the way my car drives and handles. Good luck with the particles.........