Singh Autosport/Eurorev Tune-Dyno

[Even Money]

Originally Posted by dlbello My base 3 pulls with about <1K miles on the engine, I ran average 352 HP rwhp. a little on the low side, what was the dyno type? I'd be interested in an oil analysis when you change, with the early dyno pulls on the motor, < 1K miles..

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[C63 DTM AMG]

Originally Posted by dlbello

My base 3 pulls with about <1K miles on the engine, I ran average 352 HP rwhp.

corrected?

[dlbello]

Originally Posted by Even Money

a little on the low side, what was the dyno type? I'd be interested in an oil analysis when you change, with the early dyno pulls on the motor, < 1K miles..

It was a Dyno Jet; My oil + LSD was changed at 1300 miles///

Originally Posted by C63 DTM AMG

corrected?

Yes SAE corrected = 352 Uncorrected= 383 /// Smoothing always set at 5

Most ppl on this forum like to post the uncorrected #'s

[dremorg]

Finally got my tune today. I'm very happy with the results. The only thing that i wish i had done was get the beast dyno'd before the tune but i'm going to make an appt. for one in the next few days. What a f***** animal this car has been transformed into! I may have put about 50 miles on the tune so far but the difference is incredible! I'll try and put the other 100 or so miles on this thing soon. Been driving it kind of hard so that the ECU adapts that way. The lag seems to be gone and the acceleration is staggering and was told it is just going to keep getting faster & faster. Jags is a very nice guy & I want to thank him for a job well done!

[dlbello]

I drove a little today but I had my little boy with me so couldn't get too crazy. But it does feel strong above 4K rpm power band with quicker shifting @ about 80 miles now... I'll be doing a final burn in when I head out to AC tomorrow / sunday coming back Monday morning and going strieght in for a Dyno, if anyone is available for the NY to AC run let me know, we'll meet somewhere off the GS Pkwy south...

[Spec_Davis]

Jags is a good guy had my tune done yesterday. My car feels very different now no lag, no rev limiter, better mid range n high end power. Cant wait till pass 100 miles

[dlbello]

Jags is a good guy, I'll vouch for that...

[dlbello]

Originally Posted by dremorg

Finally got my tune today. I'm very happy with the results. The only thing that i wish i had done was get the beast dyno'd before the tune but i'm going to make an appt. for one in the next few days. What a f***** animal this car has been transformed into! I may have put about 50 miles on the tune so far but the difference is incredible! I'll try and put the other 100 or so miles on this thing soon. Been driving it kind of hard so that the ECU adapts that way. The lag seems to be gone and the acceleration is staggering and was told it is just going to keep getting faster & faster. Jags is a very nice guy & I want to thank him for a job well done!

Did you get the K&N filters? I asked Jags to bring them with him from CA... He also installed them for me Tomorrow should be a "Good Good Day" ( as the the song goes) now that I think of it, they were playing that same song the day of the Yankee game Too cool,,,, My Good Good day will be when I drive to AC to break the baby in tomorrow

[dremorg]

No I didn't get the filters because I didn't know he had them but he told me that if I wanted them, he'd send them to me. I hope to receive them this week.

[Spec_Davis]

DL gl to AC hope you hit big

[dlbello]

Originally Posted by Spec_Davis

DL gl to AC hope you hit big

Hey Thanks me 2 BTW... Cars running Great, 200 miles now since Singh Tune Tomorrow morning I'll be doing a Dyno

[dremorg]

Dlbello, do you mind me asking where you are going to do your dyno?

[NORTH 44 C55]

Originally Posted by dlbello

Hey Thanks me 2 BTW... Cars running Great, 200 miles now since Singh Tune Tomorrow morning I'll be doing a Dyno

Sooooo?? What happened??

[dlbello]

Originally Posted by dremorg

Dlbello, do you mind me asking where you are going to do your dyno?

I went to the Crazy horse in NJ, I may go to another Dyno shop because on 2of the 4 pulls it displayed spikes which the dyno operator stated it was my car causing the sharp spikes which hit 450 HP rwhp... I've been comparing dyno sheets from other ppl and the MPH speed on mine was 175 mph (I was told 4th gear every pull? I don't know if that was true, dyno file show's 175 mph) I noticed on other ppl dyno sheets average 135 mph, which I think is inline with 4th gear...

Originally Posted by NORTH 44 C55

Sooooo?? What happened??

My 2 pulls DynoJet SAE smoothing 5 averaged 417 HP 420 TQ w/out counting the spiked runs. I'm now thinking if the Dyno mode Not being on the car had something to with spikes??? I didn't have it turned on I had it in M with ESP off.... I may go for another Dyno somewhere closer to me.

From my base gains HP +65 TQ 73lbs These figures do Not include the 450 spike runs. The numbers seem to be ok but ass backward

I think I need to do another dyno with dyno mode on............

[Even Money]

Originally Posted by dlbello

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I think I need to do another dyno with dyno mode on............

I doubt it was the fact you weren't in dyno mode. The dyno operator needs to know what they're doing. You can get a dyno to read just about anything if you don't set it up properly. I used a Mustang AWD dyno(no dyno mode) with no issues, 362whp stock. Try somebody else first..

[c32AMG-DTM]

Originally Posted by Even Money

I doubt it was the fact you weren't in dyno mode. The dyno operator needs to know what they're doing. You can get a dyno to read just about anything if you don't set it up properly. I used a Mustang AWD dyno(no dyno mode) with no issues, 362whp stock. Try somebody else first..

The problem is, if he goes somewhere else, it won't really give him data that's very useful - since it would be a different dyno from the baseline pulls. My $0.02 - dlbello is doing it the right way, just a shame that he didn't get a series of consistent, repeatable pulls post-tune.

dlbello - the hp looks about right for a "tune-only" car, but the tq is huge. Can you post the graphs? Also, did they get an AFR readout while you were on the dyno?

[DaGS1800]

I am happy I waited and didnt just jump on the Kleeman bandwagon... Although I hear great reviews about the Kleeman tune, the numbers speak for themselves... I am def going to purchase this soon asap.

[dlbello]

[quote=c32AMG-DTM;3803877]The problem is, if he goes somewhere else, it won't really give him data that's very useful - since it would be a different dyno from the baseline pulls. My $0.02 - dlbello is doing it the right way, just a shame that he didn't get a series of consistent, repeatable pulls post-tune.

dlbello - the hp looks about right for a "tune-only" car, but the tq is huge. Can you post the graphs? Also, did they get an AFR readout while you were on the dyno?

Here you go, I just found out from crazy horse the dyno was run was in 5th gear, is this right? He said that the AMG cars need to run 5th 1:1 ratio thats why its @ 175 MPH.

Now I'm trying to figure out the spikes on the dyno graph, I didn't average/post out the larger spiked graphs 450 rwhp because I thought they invalid runs ... could it be because the car wasn't set in dyno mode???

Im running WINPEP 7 how do I set or display AFR? and what is it for anyway?

TIA

[dlbello]

Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM

The problem is, if he goes somewhere else, it won't really give him data that's very useful - since it would be a different dyno from the baseline pulls. My $0.02 - dlbello is doing it the right way, just a shame that he didn't get a series of consistent, repeatable pulls post-tune.

dlbello - the hp looks about right for a "tune-only" car, but the tq is huge. Can you post the graphs? Also, did they get an AFR readout while you were on the dyno?

After thinking things through, I decided to go back to crazy horse where I first base dyno'd the car. Yesterday when I went in for the Singh tune Dyno, I left scratching my head and ass for a while I think the spikes and erratic TQ #'s and HP pulls were all invalid because "Dyno Mode" was Not set to on, looks like ESP even though it was in ESP sport or off was still causing problems during each and every pull

I'd rather fix the problem then to go somewhere else...any thoughts out there?

[NORTH 44 C55]

Originally Posted by dlbello

After thinking things through, I decided to go back to crazy horse where I first base dyno'd the car. Yesterday when I went in for the Singh tune Dyno, I left scratching my head and ass for a while I think the spikes and erratic TQ #'s and HP pulls were all invalid because "Dyno Mode" was Not set to on, looks like ESP even though it was in ESP sport or off was still causing problems during each and every pull

I'd rather fix the problem then to go somewhere else...any thoughts out there?

I agree with sticking with Crazy Horse. You need to duplicate what you did on the stock pulls.

Dyno Mode on or in ESP OFF (Same thing) , Not Sport, confirm AC and all climate controls are OFF.

Did they do the stock pull in 4th or 5Th gear?? Most consistent pulls seem to be in 4th but to get the comparison your after you need to repeat the conditions and setting from the original pulls...No??


Hope this helps....

[dlbello]

Originally Posted by NORTH 44 C55

I agree with sticking with Crazy Horse. You need to duplicate what you did on the stock pulls.

Dyno Mode on or in ESP OFF (Same thing) , Not Sport, confirm AC and all climate controls are OFF.

Did they do the stock pull in 4th or 5Th gear?? Most consistent pulls seem to be in 4th but to get the comparison your after you need to repeat the conditions and setting from the original pulls...No??


Hope this helps....

After talking to the speed shop owner and doing a little research myself, I found out 5th gear on the 7 speed trany is a 1:1 ratio 4th gear will for 4 speed trany so all AMG's will/should be done in 5th. If the car has a speed limiter w/out a tune or Non PP 4th gear will be used.
My base was done in 5th...

[c32AMG-DTM]

Thanks for posting the graphs. You're correct that the spikes are incorrect/invalid readings. Looks like your tune makes ~410 rwhp and ~370 rwtq.

In WinPEP7 - I find the easiest way is to leave the graphs alone that you already created, and add a second smaller graph at the bottom (click on the "show 2 graphs" button in the toolbar, upper left - then resize them so you have the top one almost as large as it is now, and a smaller one below). If your operator captured Air/Fuel ratio readings from a tailpipe sniffer (wideband O2 sensor probe), you can then display the AFR readings in the additional graph. It would probably start around 14:1, and hopefully drops down below 13:1 and stays there in the higher rpms.

Hope that helps.

[Sincity]

According to Cory @ Kleemann, pulls should be done in fourth gear. He sent me a K1 pull done in 5th with 444 whp (going by memory) which he stated is incorrect and thus he would not post.

[c32AMG-DTM]

An idea of what I mean... see attachment.

[James@ACGSD]

Originally Posted by c32AMG-DTM

An idea of what I mean... see attachment.

Looking at your graph looks like you got whats expected from the tune, what we're your baseline TQ numbers if you dont mind me asking?

Numbers look just about the same as a K1 that was done here in California.