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Old 10-30-2009, 08:51 PM   #1
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In the graph you're showing, does the red line correspond with stock and the blue with the Evosport upgrade? If so, a gain of 23 whp doesn't equate to 50-70 hp at the crank..
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I think the two plots are the 91 and 93 octane
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I think the two plots are the 91 and 93 octane
If thats accurate, than thats an impressive number for 93 octane.

These dyno numbers are from a C63 with only an ecu upgrade
and no other modifications?
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I think the two plots are the 91 and 93 octane
Oh okay, that would make sense too.. Did you guys do a baseline dyno?
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In the graph you're showing, does the red line correspond with stock and the blue with the Evosport upgrade? If so, a gain of 23 whp doesn't equate to 50-70 hp at the crank..

I've edited the post to hopefully clarify this. The plot is not from a C63, but an ML63 showing before and after on CA 91. The gains from a 63 AMG is about 30 HP, but much more on a C63. We give back what the factory took away and then add on top of that. So depending on modifications for C63, we can provide an additional 50-70 HP over stock with just software.

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So depending on modifications for C63, we can provide an additional 50-70 HP over stock with just software.

Now you offer up this sweet deal! I just did K1 last week. Arghhh.......

So if no mods and just 91 octane, then 50 HP is a realisitic number?
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Now you offer up this sweet deal! I just did K1 last week. Arghhh.......
Aren't the K1 and Evo1 just about the same, hp/tq and $$$? Or does one have an advantage over the other?
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Sin, maybe you can "ask" for a rebate on what you just got, they should be able to.
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Now you offer up this sweet deal! I just did K1 last week. Arghhh.......

So if no mods and just 91 octane, then 50 HP is a realisitic number?
Yes, 50 HP is definitely there

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The Powerchip warranty will cover you for 3 years (6 years warranty*is available for additional $190), against any issues associated with the software changes provided. Not that we expect any... although it is nice for some piece of mind! If the software is shown to have caused a failure, it is 100% covered by this warranty.
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Fortunately for us all, this is not something that has ever occured. Powerchip utilizes a proprietery '7-step development process', each software upgrade is designed in such a way that the engine becomes more efficient. When the engine is running at its optimum efficiency, there is no chance for damage.
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so dale, what are the mbusa warranty implications? is it undetectable by mbusa? i'm in the metro ny area - would i have to ship out my ecu? how can i get more details? tia...
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so dale, what are the mbusa warranty implications? is it undetectable by mbusa? i'm in the metro ny area - would i have to ship out my ecu? how can i get more details? tia...
As with any modification, the dealer can and most times will always try to deny or void warranties for modifications. As for software, it is invisible to the factory diagnostic tool.

You would pull your ECU and ship it to us and we will re-flash and overnight it back to you. Feel free to call me if you have any questions.

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What do you charge if the dealer accidently reflashes the ECU when you take it in for maitnence?
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$150 reflash fee plus any applicable shipping.
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Can you comment on the specifics of the tune:
AFR vs RPM? Have you dyno tuned with the chip and a wideband?
How is fuel efficiency affected? Does it improve like other tunes for domestics?
Is this addressing the (Detune issues) of the US C63's which supposedly close the throttle bodies XX% as rpm increases? Do we get to WOT now with this tune?

How difficult is it to remove the ECU? 10 min exercise with hand tools or something more involved? Any tattle-tale tape on the ECU which would indicate tampering to the Dealership?

Pardon all the questions..... just doing my homework Before adding some go-go power

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Can you comment on the specifics of the tune:
AFR vs RPM? Have you dyno tuned with the chip and a wideband?
How is fuel efficiency affected? Does it improve like other tunes for domestics?
Yes, one of the most important aspects of any tune is to ensure that the air fuel ratio is perfected. We also log this information on our dyno when testing the final version. Often increases and decreases in performance are made and lost with the air fuel mixtures... and Powerchip is always very precise in hitting the correct numbers.

In general, the fuel efficiency is improved. This means that you should save a little gas (especially freeway cruising). Unfortunately, this will not turn your car into a Prius or anything... however every little saving counts.

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Is this addressing the (Detune issues) of the US C63's which supposedly close the throttle bodies XX% as rpm increases? Do we get to WOT now with this tune?
Correct. We are able to open the throttle further, change the torque limitations and perform a number of other engine tuning related functions... to give you the car you should have gotten from the factory!

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How difficult is it to remove the ECU? 10 min exercise with hand tools or something more involved? Any tattle-tale tape on the ECU which would indicate tampering to the Dealership?
It is 10 - 15 minutes. Open hood, remove black pastic cover to ECU (passanger side) to expose the unit. Unplug both connectors and slide out of position. I can e-mail you instructions on this process as well.


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No problem on the questions. My pleasure

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Great info.

Also does the C63 tune vary with IAT (inlet air temp)? As the intake heat soaks does the ecu pull timing to avoid detonation?

Does the tune address street driving conditions with a heat soaked motor too?

The trouble we have with "some" tuners in houston.... they'll tune for max power on the dyno with a cool motor... (IAT's 100-150).... but you get stuck in traffic and either the engine pulls too much timing...... or if you're unlucky the tune doesn't address the heat soak and does not pull timing and you get detonation. This is more critical after a blower install, but still curious about the sophistication of these tunes.......

Do the C63's have knock-sensors that will pull timing if knock is detected?

Again thanks for listening to my noooooob-i-ness

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Jeff,

Yes the computer will compensate by pulling timing if the IAT's get up there. Remember we are maximizing parameters per RPM but the stok computer still has the ability to adjust to different driving conditions. The 63 engines are very sensitive to IAT's so we have worked extensively in this area to keep the tune constant.

Yes it does have knock sensors. We have pushed the envelope with this engine and the tune is solid no matter what conditions may occur.

No problem Jeff.

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