Car & Driver comparo

GDawgC220 · 04-03-2004, 01:12 PM

Anyone read thew new comparo in C&D shootout between the Maserati Coupe, BMW 645Ci & CLK55 AMG?

It's a great read...places as follows:

3rd: Maserati Coupe
2nd: BMW 645Ci
1st: CLK55 AMG

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ajayz · 04-03-2004, 01:30 PM

Sweet, the AMG beat the Maserati.

AMG BRED · 04-03-2004, 01:32 PM

scannnnnn....!

GDawgC220 · 04-03-2004, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by AMG BRED
scannnnnn....!

LOL, alright alright, i'll scan it in a bit when I get a chance

RJC · 04-03-2004, 10:14 PM

Cool, that'll show those guys at Road and Track!

What were the QT and 0-60 times?

AndyAMG · 04-06-2004, 03:53 AM

Its awsome that the CLK55 came first and beat the maserati!!

RJC · 04-06-2004, 11:48 AM

Where is the scan?

GDawgC220 · 04-06-2004, 12:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RJC
Where is the scan?

hehe, my bro stole my magazine from me

!!!!!

I PROMISE i'll get it up tonight, PROMISE! If not, you can do something :p

RJC · 04-06-2004, 12:33 PM

Tell him to give it back!!! LOL

I haven't received my own new issue yet.

Thanks

AMG BRED · 04-06-2004, 01:25 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GDawgC220
hehe, my bro stole my magazine from me !!!!!

I PROMISE i'll get it up tonight, PROMISE! If not, you can do something :p

last chance... 3 strikes and you are out!!

:p

GDawgC220 · 04-06-2004, 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by AMG BRED
last chance... 3 strikes and you are out!! :p

oh shiznit

i'll get it up tonight

GDawgC220 · 04-06-2004, 08:41 PM

ok...as promised

let me know if you can read it...

GDawgC220 · 04-06-2004, 08:42 PM

RJC · 04-06-2004, 09:11 PM

WOW 0-60 in 4.5 for the CLK 55!!! 13.1 @ 109 for the Quarter Mile!!! Thanks for the scan Gdawg.

Chappy · 04-06-2004, 09:13 PM

Thanks for posting. I think this is the first time I call recall that a Mercedes-Benz outbrakes (by a large margin) a comparable BMW!

GDawgC220 · 04-06-2004, 09:46 PM

hehe, no problem guys! anytime, if i get more interesting articles, i'll scan 'em in!

RJC · 04-06-2004, 09:48 PM

Gdawg. How long ago did you get this issue? Mine is MIA

GDawgC220 · 04-06-2004, 09:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by RJC
Gdawg. How long ago did you get this issue? Mine is MIA

um...got it Saturday afternoon.

rev · 04-07-2004, 12:55 AM

As an owner of a 208 CLK55, I'd like to know how it would have matched up with these other three?

sajecw · 04-07-2004, 01:08 AM

I just realized that the new CLK55 has 3.06's compared to the 2.82's in the 208CLK55.

I believe the tranny gearing is more agressive as well.

I knew it could not have been the 20 hps to get it to 13.1's.

Now I am jealous. That is the tranny/rear combo I want in my car.

Improviz · 04-07-2004, 01:14 AM

...109 mph trap speed with 3740 pounds curb weight and 362 horsepower? Let me see....180 pounds for driver + test equip gives an as-tested weight of 3,920.

crank hp = (as-tested weight)*(trap speed/234)^3.

= 3920(109/234)^3
= 3920(0.101072)
= 396 crank hp.

In a car rated with 362. That's about 9% above rated...not huge, but it definitely accounts for the high trap speed; I'd expect a 107 mph trap speed with that power to weight.

How do the other two cars in the comparison stack up?

Maserati = 3780 pounds, trap speed = 109
=> 3960(109/234)^3 = 400 horsepower. Also a bit high, but within the +-5% of the equation's accuracy.

BMW = 3860 pounds, trap speed = 102.
=> 4040(102/234)^3 = 335 horsepower. Ditto. Ten up from stock...

Improviz · 04-07-2004, 01:17 AM

...that will help the 0-60 time, not so much in the 1/4. The trap speed is indicative of higher-than-rated hp with this car...

Quote:

Originally posted by sajecw
I just realized that the new CLK55 has 3.06's compared to the 2.82's in the 208CLK55.

I believe the tranny gearing is more agressive as well.

I knew it could not have been the 20 hps to get it to 13.1's.

Now I am jealous. That is the tranny/rear combo I want in my car.

sajecw · 04-07-2004, 01:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Improviz
...109 mph trap speed with 3740 pounds curb weight and 362 horsepower? Let me see....180 pounds for driver + test equip gives an as-tested weight of 3,920.

crank hp = (as-tested weight)*(trap speed/234)^3.

= 3920(109/234)^3
= 3920(0.101072)
= 396 crank hp.

In a car rated with 362. That's about 9% above rated...not huge, but it definitely accounts for the high trap speed; I'd expect a 107 mph trap speed with that power to weight.

How do the other two cars in the comparison stack up?

Maserati = 3780 pounds, trap speed = 109
=> 3960(109/234)^3 = 400 horsepower. Also a bit high, but within the +-5% of the equation's accuracy.

BMW = 3860 pounds, trap speed = 102.
=> 4040(102/234)^3 = 335 horsepower. Ditto. Ten up from stock...

I have always heard that those cars are supplied by the manufacturers and are 'tuned' for the event.

Improviz · 04-07-2004, 01:34 AM

...back in the 60's, Pontiac gave the mags a "production" GTO, with what was actually a full-race motor! Pretty notorious example....

BMW seems to have remarkable luck with their cars as well...the first E46 M3's tested were trapping at 107+, when they should have been trapping at no more than 105 or so...which is exactly what the more recent examples have been doing.

Quote:

Originally posted by sajecw
I have always heard that those cars are supplied by the manufacturers and are 'tuned' for the event.

sajecw · 04-07-2004, 02:24 AM

I remember all of the magazines had the M3 about 3 to 5 tenths faster than the M3. It is not really the case at the track stock to stock.

It is pretty slick for the manufacturers to do that though.

Just a thought, I remember an article on the Lingenfelter Corvette, Hennessy Viper and a couple of other cars.

These cars were tested and only produced E.T.'s a second or less faster than the stock numbers posted.

Well, I saw one of these tests being done on the modified cars and the times were real. It just proved to me that the stock cars were not actually stock.

How many bone stock Z06's do you see breaking into the low 12's?

It is all a marketing ploy and they all should be called out on it.

The only cars in recent memory living up to the hype are the 211 E55, the Porsche TT and the new Viper.

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04-03-2004, 10:14 PM	#5
RJC MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: 2000 ft over the Fl coast in a B-17 Posts: 3,786	Cool, that'll show those guys at Road and Track! What were the QT and 0-60 times? __________________ RJC 2007 PORSCHE 997 Carrera S Meteor Gray Metallic/Black Twin Turbo Forged 19" rims Leather Sport Seats Embossed Crests Sport Chrono Package Plus Self Dimming Mirrors Polished Tips 6 Speed 2008 BMW 328 2nd Car Titanium Silver Metallic/Black Sport Package Steptronic w/Paddles etc, etc Previous MB's 2006 E55, 2004 CLK500, 2003 CLK500, 2001 CLK430, 2000 CLK430, 1999 CLK430, 1992 300CE. Previous Other Brands Ferrari, Porsche, BMW, Corvette Last edited by RJC; 04-04-2004 at 12:22 AM.

04-06-2004, 03:53 AM	#6
AndyAMG Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: OC Posts: 347 Drives: MB & BMW	Great Its awsome that the CLK55 came first and beat the maserati!!

04-06-2004, 11:48 AM	#7
RJC MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: 2000 ft over the Fl coast in a B-17 Posts: 3,786	Where is the scan? __________________ RJC 2007 PORSCHE 997 Carrera S Meteor Gray Metallic/Black Twin Turbo Forged 19" rims Leather Sport Seats Embossed Crests Sport Chrono Package Plus Self Dimming Mirrors Polished Tips 6 Speed 2008 BMW 328 2nd Car Titanium Silver Metallic/Black Sport Package Steptronic w/Paddles etc, etc Previous MB's 2006 E55, 2004 CLK500, 2003 CLK500, 2001 CLK430, 2000 CLK430, 1999 CLK430, 1992 300CE. Previous Other Brands Ferrari, Porsche, BMW, Corvette

04-06-2004, 12:33 PM	#9
RJC MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: 2000 ft over the Fl coast in a B-17 Posts: 3,786	Tell him to give it back!!! LOL I haven't received my own new issue yet. Thanks __________________ RJC 2007 PORSCHE 997 Carrera S Meteor Gray Metallic/Black Twin Turbo Forged 19" rims Leather Sport Seats Embossed Crests Sport Chrono Package Plus Self Dimming Mirrors Polished Tips 6 Speed 2008 BMW 328 2nd Car Titanium Silver Metallic/Black Sport Package Steptronic w/Paddles etc, etc Previous MB's 2006 E55, 2004 CLK500, 2003 CLK500, 2001 CLK430, 2000 CLK430, 1999 CLK430, 1992 300CE. Previous Other Brands Ferrari, Porsche, BMW, Corvette

04-03-2004, 01:30 PM	#2
ajayz MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Moon Posts: 7,676 Drives: marta	Sweet, the AMG beat the Maserati.

04-06-2004, 08:41 PM	#12
GDawgC220 MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 4,778 Drives: '05 A4 1.8TQM6	ok...as promised let me know if you can read it... __________________ 2005 A4 1.8T Quattro 6-Speed Premium \| Cold Weather \| Sport \| Lighting \| Bose Mods GIAC Stg 2 K04 \| H-Sport \| Koni Sport \| H&R Sport \| Magnaflow \| HP2 Brakes \| RaceTec FMIC \| Other goodies \| 128,xxx miles Previous Car: '94 C220 Family: '99 ML430, '01 S500

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04-06-2004, 09:11 PM	#14
RJC MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: 2000 ft over the Fl coast in a B-17 Posts: 3,786	WOW 0-60 in 4.5 for the CLK 55!!! 13.1 @ 109 for the Quarter Mile!!! Thanks for the scan Gdawg. __________________ RJC 2007 PORSCHE 997 Carrera S Meteor Gray Metallic/Black Twin Turbo Forged 19" rims Leather Sport Seats Embossed Crests Sport Chrono Package Plus Self Dimming Mirrors Polished Tips 6 Speed 2008 BMW 328 2nd Car Titanium Silver Metallic/Black Sport Package Steptronic w/Paddles etc, etc Previous MB's 2006 E55, 2004 CLK500, 2003 CLK500, 2001 CLK430, 2000 CLK430, 1999 CLK430, 1992 300CE. Previous Other Brands Ferrari, Porsche, BMW, Corvette Last edited by RJC; 04-06-2004 at 09:21 PM.

04-06-2004, 09:13 PM	#15
Chappy MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Hotlanta Posts: 7,887 Drives: AMG	Thanks for posting. I think this is the first time I call recall that a Mercedes-Benz outbrakes (by a large margin) a comparable BMW! __________________ W208 CLK55 - 2002 (Silver w/Charcoal - 43K miles) 1 of 3,381 W208 AMG Coupes Worldwide 304WHP / 321TQ - Stock! W124 Estate - 1995 MBWGCM #71 Kombi's Uber Alles Member #3

04-06-2004, 09:46 PM	#16
GDawgC220 MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Boston Posts: 4,778 Drives: '05 A4 1.8TQM6	hehe, no problem guys! anytime, if i get more interesting articles, i'll scan 'em in! __________________ 2005 A4 1.8T Quattro 6-Speed Premium \| Cold Weather \| Sport \| Lighting \| Bose Mods GIAC Stg 2 K04 \| H-Sport \| Koni Sport \| H&R Sport \| Magnaflow \| HP2 Brakes \| RaceTec FMIC \| Other goodies \| 128,xxx miles Previous Car: '94 C220 Family: '99 ML430, '01 S500

04-06-2004, 09:48 PM	#17
RJC MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: 2000 ft over the Fl coast in a B-17 Posts: 3,786	Gdawg. How long ago did you get this issue? Mine is MIA __________________ RJC 2007 PORSCHE 997 Carrera S Meteor Gray Metallic/Black Twin Turbo Forged 19" rims Leather Sport Seats Embossed Crests Sport Chrono Package Plus Self Dimming Mirrors Polished Tips 6 Speed 2008 BMW 328 2nd Car Titanium Silver Metallic/Black Sport Package Steptronic w/Paddles etc, etc Previous MB's 2006 E55, 2004 CLK500, 2003 CLK500, 2001 CLK430, 2000 CLK430, 1999 CLK430, 1992 300CE. Previous Other Brands Ferrari, Porsche, BMW, Corvette

04-07-2004, 12:55 AM	#19
rev Almost a Member! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Posts: 63 Drives: 2002 CLK55	As an owner of a 208 CLK55, I'd like to know how it would have matched up with these other three?

04-07-2004, 01:08 AM	#20
sajecw Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 217	I just realized that the new CLK55 has 3.06's compared to the 2.82's in the 208CLK55. I believe the tranny gearing is more agressive as well. I knew it could not have been the 20 hps to get it to 13.1's. Now I am jealous. That is the tranny/rear combo I want in my car.

04-07-2004, 01:14 AM	#21
Improviz MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 3,210 Drives: CLS55 AMG	Hmm... ...109 mph trap speed with 3740 pounds curb weight and 362 horsepower? Let me see....180 pounds for driver + test equip gives an as-tested weight of 3,920. crank hp = (as-tested weight)*(trap speed/234)^3. = 3920(109/234)^3 = 3920(0.101072) = 396 crank hp. In a car rated with 362. That's about 9% above rated...not huge, but it definitely accounts for the high trap speed; I'd expect a 107 mph trap speed with that power to weight. How do the other two cars in the comparison stack up? Maserati = 3780 pounds, trap speed = 109 => 3960(109/234)^3 = 400 horsepower. Also a bit high, but within the +-5% of the equation's accuracy. BMW = 3860 pounds, trap speed = 102. => 4040(102/234)^3 = 335 horsepower. Ditto. Ten up from stock... __________________ 2006 CLS55 AMG w/030 Perf. Pkg. Obsidian Black/Charcoal Sold: 2001 CLK55 AMG Brilliant Silver, two-tone black/silver

04-07-2004, 02:24 AM	#25
sajecw Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 217	I remember all of the magazines had the M3 about 3 to 5 tenths faster than the M3. It is not really the case at the track stock to stock. It is pretty slick for the manufacturers to do that though. Just a thought, I remember an article on the Lingenfelter Corvette, Hennessy Viper and a couple of other cars. These cars were tested and only produced E.T.'s a second or less faster than the stock numbers posted. Well, I saw one of these tests being done on the modified cars and the times were real. It just proved to me that the stock cars were not actually stock. How many bone stock Z06's do you see breaking into the low 12's? It is all a marketing ploy and they all should be called out on it. The only cars in recent memory living up to the hype are the 211 E55, the Porsche TT and the new Viper.

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