Brother just p'd up a GT-R - Who's gonna win?

[JT55]

My younger brother just p'd up a GT-R yesterday. He has no idea about my car - (don't ask I have a strange family) I'm planning to roll up on him cause he's invited me over to brag thinking that I'm showing up in my 5500 lb Q7 I however don't want to go home with my tail btwn my legs. So lets say I'm running an 11.40 w the most recent work done. Whats gonna be the outcome of little friendly impromptu drag race? Roll ons etc? am i gonna need that fogger system?

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[JT55]

I just got off Drag Times - Uh oh.... If he tunes it - its over.
I think I see a Fogger system in the Distance and its headed this way....

[sick430]

good luck bro! i know vic has a GT-R, so maybe ask him

[Timeless]

You will take him stock...when he tunes it, it will be a driver's race.

[jrcart]

Stock it will not be a race, especially against you fairly heavily modded beast, you should take him no problem, you have a consistant 11.5 car, showroom stock GT-R's are high 11 to low 12 second cars at the strip. Once he gets a tune and a couple other little goodies look out. The AWD and launch control are obviously the biggest advantages the GT-R has over the BS...and most other cars on the road for that matter. Roll-ons are a different story, there's a guy out here that has a lightly modded one (tune,intake), he gets me by about 2-3 cars out of the hole and then I hang with him and actually start reeling him in pretty fast once we reach triple digit speeds, when we do roll-ons from 60mph I win every time, we did a 100 mph roll-on once and it was not even a race, I opened up a car length every second by the time I reached 170 I was 10 cars up on him, and that was without spray.

[JT55]

thanks for the info JR. I feel a lil better now.
But I know my brother he is afflicted w the same disease as the rest of us.
He starts out saying oh I'm gonna leave it alone and then within a week (or less) he's on the drawing board.
HE picked it up Friday and I spoke to him Saturday and said what are you gonna do to it? HE says "nothing prob. just intake, exhaust and tune and thats it" Oh is that it? Great!
I saw the dollar bills flying out of my wallet.

WHen we were younger I initially had the faster cars - then he always had turbo cars - Ford Probe GT (which tuned was pretty fast for its day) and then he had Supra Turbos in College and it was a wrap for me.
He Graduated to Vipers then GTS Vipers and now a SRT-8 Jeep which he had Headers, Heads, Full Exhaust and a Supercharger that turned out to be a disaster and had to take off and sue the company.
He's terrifically cheap so its taken him about 5yrs to get another sports car.
I've always had cars I had to make fast and never turbos so I was always putting superchargers on etc. I had a Supercharged CLK55 a Supercharged SL500 a Supercharged Tahoe - but they were never super fast.
I'll never forget the last humiliation - I just got my SL back from getting Kleemann Supercharger, exhaust etc, And wanted to race the GTS - which had ab 600-700 hp.
What a bad idea - that was '04 and its time for me to take the checkered flag now.
Stay tuned - I'm not big on Videos but maybe I'll get some.

[Jim Brady]

In all the Youtube vids the NA Zo6's seem to jump the GT-R's then get reeled in. If you go from a dig, he has the advantage with launch control (if it's an 09).

I've been thinking about how to best run a GT-R as it's only inevitable that I'm going to meet up with one.

So, I'm thinking about a 40 mph roll and you must get the drop on him as ALL turbo cars have some lag. Have the ESP off and if your a 11:40 you should walk him by several cars.

[Rock]

Originally Posted by JT55

He starts out saying oh I'm gonna leave it alone and then within a week (or less) he's on the drawing board.
HE picked it up Friday and I spoke to him Saturday and said what are you gonna do to it? HE says "nothing prob. just intake, exhaust and tune and thats it" Oh is that it? Great!..........

FikseGTS (from this board) ran 11.03 @125.4 in his GTR with only a mid-pipe and tune (I think).

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by Rock

FikseGTS (from this board) ran 11.03 @125.4 in his GTR with only a mid-pipe and tune (I think).

No mid pipe just the Cobb...and a 1.8 60 footer I think. The cobb really opens it up but not enough in roll race to 160 IMO.


You will take him up top as Jr said, a stock GT-R is only solid from a dig and then it loses steam in the triple digits. Thats why stockers put up great quarter times, they have an amazing tranny down low. Once the Cobb is installed the higher speeds move quicker but still probably not fast enough. A GT570 package will change everything. Race him from a roll thats where the stock ones are vulnerable. But make it fair and give him a dig race too And please, drive his car too...

[JT55]

Originally Posted by Vic55

No mid pipe just the Cobb...and a 1.8 60 footer I think. The cobb really opens it up but not enough in roll race to 160 IMO.


You will take him up top as Jr said, a stock GT-R is only solid from a dig and then it loses steam in the triple digits. Thats why stockers put up great quarter times, they have an amazing tranny down low. Once the Cobb is installed the higher speeds move quicker but still probably not fast enough. A GT570 package will change everything. Race him from a roll thats where the stock ones are vulnerable. But make it fair and give him a dig race too And please, drive his car too...

I gotta give him a minute to break it in before I start challenging him to races - so this could take a few weeks - but stay tuned

[12_03]

I put 900 miles on a GTR very recently. Hard to beat the performance for the money, but it lacks a certain something... Merc or BMW have it...

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by 12_03

I put 900 miles on a GTR very recently. Hard to beat the performance for the money, but it lacks a certain something... Merc or BMW have it...

Lets see .... maybe class or panache? I had no problem buying a Nissan- the performance aspect over rode the Hamburger symbol in my book.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by JT55

I gotta give him a minute to break it in before I start challenging him to races - so this could take a few weeks - but stay tuned

Make sure he breaks in the "hard" way with full rpm runs so the seals get pushed. It will be a better performer down the road IMO.

[AMGOODNESS]

Vic i looked at a M6 this weekend and it was tempting. the car was marked down from $112k to 89K. a little too big of a car for me so i walked away but that engine is ridiculously fast.

[Vic55]

Originally Posted by AMGOODNESS

Vic i looked at a M6 this weekend and it was tempting. the car was marked down from $112k to 89K. a little too big of a car for me so i walked away but that engine is ridiculously fast.

It is very fast but its needs to be driven correctly to get the most out of it. 8/10ths or better or it just is not rewarding IMO. I think Im getting lazy and need to go back to gobs of TQ Benz style with a BS or a 65.

[AMGOODNESS]

Having to keep a car strung out to feel the power does get old. I never understood the Honda/Acura guys. I will take seat of the pants torque between 2000-4000 rpms any day.

[Vir2L]

Don't stock BS run mid 12's?

[Jim Brady]

Originally Posted by Vir2L

Don't stock BS run mid 12's?

Seems that they run low 12's with some high 11's. Check out dragtimes.

[MMC2488]

GTR will Pull away at the line. You can't put the power down in the BS efficiently enough to compete with the AWD in the GTR. What happens after that would have to go to the GTR. I don't know why I bought it. But it does haul ass.

[Jim Brady]

Originally Posted by MMC2488

GTR will Pull away at the line. You can't put the power down in the BS efficiently enough to compete with the AWD in the GTR. What happens after that would have to go to the GTR. I don't know why I bought it. But it does haul ass.

Agreed, an AWD especially a turbo allows the torque to build rather than all at once allowing less shock load to the drive train. Turbo's have much smoother power delivery which doesn't overwhelm the tires.

BUT, there are some techniques that will even the playing field.
First, switch off the ESP, leave in D, do not power brake and roll off at 1400 rpm feeding in more and more throttle progressively. It's sooo hard not to nail it. You have to concentrate and practice about a dozen times.
Trust me, if you get it right it will be a fun race.

We ran a number of races at Willow on the front straight (no street racing)
I've pulled every BS and 6.3 by at least 3- car lengths using this technique. I've lost to a a 700 hp 997tt (tip) and it was 1/2 a car off the line and he motored me top end by about 3 bus lengths. Nevertheless, I think the driver can make up a bunch. If the GT-R only pulls you a half car, you'll run him down. If he goes nuttso and jumps you 2 cars.. well it's over.
Scientific minds want to know.

[Rock]

I just got back from the track with my GTR. First time out......I ran a 11.3 @ 127.5 mph in auto. Best of luck my good doctor.........but don't bet the farm.

[DFW01E55]

Originally Posted by Rock

I just got back from the track with my GTR. First time out......I ran a 11.3 @ 127.5 mph in auto. Best of luck my good doctor.........but don't be the farm.

11.3 at 127.5!

You drove to the East Coast didn't you?!

Wait, it doesn't say "stock" GTR.

'Fess up Rock.

[Rock]

A tune and a mid-pipe only. I have never been out of Ohio and I'm not sure that qualifies for "East coast".

[MMC2488]

Originally Posted by Jim Brady

Agreed, an AWD especially a turbo allows the torque to build rather than all at once allowing less shock load to the drive train. Turbo's have much smoother power delivery which doesn't overwhelm the tires.

BUT, there are some techniques that will even the playing field.
First, switch off the ESP, leave in D, do not power brake and roll off at 1400 rpm feeding in more and more throttle progressively. It's sooo hard not to nail it. You have to concentrate and practice about a dozen times.
Trust me, if you get it right it will be a fun race.

We ran a number of races at Willow on the front straight (no street racing)
I've pulled every BS and 6.3 by at least 3- car lengths using this technique. I've lost to a a 700 hp 997tt (tip) and it was 1/2 a car off the line and he motored me top end by about 3 bus lengths. Nevertheless, I think the driver can make up a bunch. If the GT-R only pulls you a half car, you'll run him down. If he goes nuttso and jumps you 2 cars.. well it's over.
Scientific minds want to know.

Both of my cars are stock. That being said. The BS has no chance against the GTR. Tuned BS with 600 Plus would be even harder to launch. But may make it up in 4th gear against the GTR. Acceleration does drop off with the longer gears in the GTR. 1-3 in are blistering fast. Yet, the BS delivers a smoother power band through out the gears. I would love to watch that match up.

[DFW01E55]

Originally Posted by Rock

... I have never been out of Ohio .....

Please tell me you mean "never been out of OH with the GT-R."


Irrespective (NB: irregardless is NOT a word) of your travels, congrats on a great time!!!
Please don't come to TX where I might get my butt handed to me!