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Old 05-29-2006, 01:38 AM   #51
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Use your Dawn...get the clay...Z2 and ZFX....you don't have to have the other stuff... To remove this ad, register today or login if you already are registered!

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Old 05-29-2006, 02:05 PM   #52
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You don't *have* to have the clay or the ZFX really, but each extra item you do use is better.

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Old 05-29-2006, 02:14 PM   #53
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EDJ...you have to use Z1 or ZFX to cure the Z2 .....reading Zainos website, it seems the ZFX is faster so at a minimum either Z1 or ZFX + Z2 and you got it made.
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Wtf

I just came from pepboys to get some meguirs applicators and i talked to the guy cause he asked me if i was applying wax to my car i said ya...then he told me dont use DAWN! it will damage my car? and my other friend said dont use dawn he said its something Zaino posts on their site that they use but its not good for the car...?

now what do i use to strip the permaplate off?

im lost.
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Old 05-30-2006, 12:47 AM   #55
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EDJ...you have to use Z1 or ZFX to cure the Z2 .....reading Zainos website, it seems the ZFX is faster so at a minimum either Z1 or ZFX + Z2 and you got it made.
Nah, I don't think you do. ZFX is fairly new, so I know I didn't use that when I was first using Z-2 a few years back. I did use Z-1 on one car that I sold back in 2003. I've never used Z-1 since on any of my other cars. Just the Dawn/Clay/Z-2 initially, and then just washing and Z-2-ing after that.

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Old 05-30-2006, 09:52 AM   #56
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Nah, I don't think you do. ZFX is fairly new, so I know I didn't use that when I was first using Z-2 a few years back. I did use Z-1 on one car that I sold back in 2003. I've never used Z-1 since on any of my other cars. Just the Dawn/Clay/Z-2 initially, and then just washing and Z-2-ing after that.

FWIW, YMMV,

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If I read their site correctly ...sounds to me like the Z2 won't cure without one or the other
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Nah, I don't think you do. ZFX is fairly new, so I know I didn't use that when I was first using Z-2 a few years back. I did use Z-1 on one car that I sold back in 2003. I've never used Z-1 since on any of my other cars. Just the Dawn/Clay/Z-2 initially, and then just washing and Z-2-ing after that.

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This is wrong. The ZFX is a replacement for the Z1 and also allows you to apply multiple coats within a 24hr period. Using just Z1 and Z2, you have to wait 24 hours in between each coat for the Z2 to "cure".

If you are using Z2, or Z5, you MUST use either the Z1 before, or add the ZFX to the Z2/Z5. Without one of these, it will not properly cure.

Using just Z2, you may find that it looks good when you're done, but it won't last very long.
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I just came from pepboys to get some meguirs applicators and i talked to the guy cause he asked me if i was applying wax to my car i said ya...then he told me dont use DAWN! it will damage my car? and my other friend said dont use dawn he said its something Zaino posts on their site that they use but its not good for the car...?

now what do i use to strip the permaplate off?

im lost.
You gotta love these people who have no idea what they are talking about. Why don't you ask the guy from pepboy, or your uninformed friend, EXACTLY how using Dawn will damage your car?? Most likely, they are just repeating some nonsense that someone else told them.

There is NO ingredient in Dawn that will damage the finish of your car. The only risk to using Dawn is that it will leave your car's finish unprotected to the elements. Of course, this is fine, because you will be applying a wax or sealant to the finish after, and you will NOT be using Dawn as your regular car wash.

So no, if you use Dawn as we've suggested, you will not damage your car or the finish.
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Old 05-30-2006, 11:33 AM   #59
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I love a clean car and really look forward to using the tips you've all shared on product use.

One question, because my car is a couple months old, do I still go through the same steps? Do I have to worry about newer paint being damaged by the process? I'll share pics after I use it. Thanks for the advice.
The answer to your question is no, you do not have to worry about this. By the time you get your new car, the finish has had plenty of time to harden and cure.

One thing to note: It is worth it to Dawn wash and clay a new car, as it's finish has already been contaminated with brake dust, rail dust, salt, etc. from transporting. You can take the zip lock bag test to see for yourself.

On my last 4 brand new cars, I have Dawn washed, and clayed within 1 week of delivery.
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This is wrong. The ZFX is a replacement for the Z1 and also allows you to apply multiple coats within a 24hr period. Using just Z1 and Z2, you have to wait 24 hours in between each coat for the Z2 to "cure".

If you are using Z2, or Z5, you MUST use either the Z1 before, or add the ZFX to the Z2/Z5. Without one of these, it will not properly cure.

Using just Z2, you may find that it looks good when you're done, but it won't last very long.

**** 24 hours to wait?now im lost.

I cant wait 24 hours to finish polishing my car cuase it will get dusty.
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um...Dreamcast...get the ZFX and the Z2...wash it with Dawn first..then mix up the ZFX with 2oz of Z2 per directions...wax the crap out of it...wipe it off....wax the crap out of it again...wipe it off...wax the crap out of it again.....keep doing that until your arm is tired or you run out of the 2oz's that you just mixed up.Stand back and say WOW....go to Zaino's site and read ...I had my 11 year old daughter throw a coat on yesterday !
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Good god, RTFM already. Sal talks all about it. Click on his Z18 and read up, boy.

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Sup guys..since my car is brand new...do i need to use the clay bar? thanks
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You don't "need" to use a clay bar on any car. But its a good idea, even on a brand new car. I always clay my cars within a week of delivery. Why go through all the work of waxing/polishing/buffing, if you are not going to get "great" results?
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Okay, I was all set to buy Zaino like no tomorrow, then I read the post, "you can not go to an automatic carwash again"

That scared the crap outta me. I totally understand the car wash nightmare, but it's kinda the lesser of 2 evils for me right now. I just don't have the time to hand wash her once or twice a week so I just grit my teeth and make do. I am just pumped to be able to mow the friggin lawn when I can.

So will using Zaino and then local car wash hurt the car (like yellow the finish or something)

I know, I know, you get outta your car what you put into it.......

Maybe I am doomed to a life of Caranuba wax.....sigh.
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Okay, I was all set to buy Zaino like no tomorrow, then I read the post, "you can not go to an automatic carwash again"

That scared the crap outta me. I totally understand the car wash nightmare, but it's kinda the lesser of 2 evils for me right now. I just don't have the time to hand wash her once or twice a week so I just grit my teeth and make do. I am just pumped to be able to mow the friggin lawn when I can.

So will using Zaino and then local car wash hurt the car (like yellow the finish or something)

I know, I know, you get outta your car what you put into it.......

Maybe I am doomed to a life of Caranuba wax.....sigh.
Well, no, it won't "hurt" the car, but the shine will not last as long. The harsh detergents, recycled water (which just means filtered, non-potable in most cases), the high pressure of the wash jets, and the low paid people who dry your car with low quality towels will dull your car much quicker than washing it by hand. But we all know that not everyone can hand wash all the time in reality. I wouldn't let the need to go to a car wash stop you from using zaino, as the car wash will have this effect on just about any product you use.
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I would never take a car like an E55 to a full service car wash. I do not like the idea of the expensive alloy wheels moving in a steel channel that has an inch or so of clearance. I do, however, use the coin operated car washes occasionally and my one year old Zaino still beads the water like it did when it was first applied.
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I just placed my first order of Zaino today- wow a very easy website and very efficient ordering process.

Now when the rain stops in Boston I can try the product! Thanks for all of the product suggestions here.
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They ship fast. I ordered on Wednesday and got my kit Friday. Not bad.
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Hi all, I have a few questions regarding Zaino

Can you use Microfiber towels, or do you HAVE to have 100% Cotton Terry cloth?

Also, does the entire Zaino process help remove fine scratches? I have a few scratches that are visable from about a foot away, but aren't deep enough to "catch" when I run my fingernail over them.

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BTW, does anyone have any experience with any of the Sonus products sold on the Autopia site? i.e. scratch remover SFX-4 surface polish?
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Hi all, I have a few questions regarding Zaino

Can you use Microfiber towels, or do you HAVE to have 100% Cotton Terry cloth?

Also, does the entire Zaino process help remove fine scratches? I have a few scratches that are visable from about a foot away, but aren't deep enough to "catch" when I run my fingernail over them.

Thanks for the help, Carnag

BTW, does anyone have any experience with any of the Sonus products sold on the Autopia site? i.e. scratch remover SFX-4 surface polish?
Hi.

Yes, you can use a good quality, Microfiber towel, in fact, you will probably get better results with this over a 100% cotton towel. Just avoid the "cheapy" made in Korea ones.

If you incorporate a few coats of the Zaino Z5, this will help to hide small scratches and swirl marks. None of the Zaino products are abrasive, so they will not remove scratches or swirl marks, only make them less visible.
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None of the Zaino products are abrasive, so they will not remove scratches or swirl marks, only make them less visible.
Z-PC Fusion Dual Action Paint Cleaner Swirl Remover - great at removing "small" scratches or swirls.
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Z-PC Fusion Dual Action Paint Cleaner Swirl Remover - great at removing "small" scratches or swirls.
Yes, you are correct! My mistake. I forgot about this new product. Thanks for the correction.
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