Mercedes and BMW V-8 diesels going away

[C5DRVR]

Apparently BMW and Mercedes will be killing their V-8 diesels due to new emission requirements. This is a shame. I always hoped that they would someday come to the US. I saw this reported both in my current Motortrend magazine news and also here on this blog.

http://www.eurocarblog.com/post/705/...uper-diesel-v8

[Carl Lassiter]

No need for the V8 diesels, too much CO2 tax.

My father lives in Europe and drives a BMW 535d M Sport.

3liter twin turbo, 282bhp, 428lb/ft. On his fifty mile commute he sees 34mpg. Superb for a car that pulls 0-60 in 5.9 and needs a limiter to stop it passing 155mph.

[C5DRVR]

That BMW diesel is impressive. I remember reading a Road and Track article recently where they did a test on a 3 series with the twin turbo diesel and really liked it. Supposedly they are coming here soon. BMW has it right by offering the sport package on their diesels in Europe.

I would like to see Mercedes offer the sport package bodywork, suspension, and wheels on the E320CDI here in the USA. I am sure they do in Europe.

[harkgar]

Originally Posted by C5DRVR

That BMW diesel is impressive. I remember reading a Road and Track article recently where they did a test on a 3 series with the twin turbo diesel and really liked it. Supposedly they are coming here soon. BMW has it right by offering the sport package on their diesels in Europe.

I would like to see Mercedes offer the sport package bodywork, suspension, and wheels on the E320CDI here in the USA. I am sure they do in Europe.

Unfortunately by the time this sporty diesel gets to the USA it would have to wear a urine bag and puts out less power compared with its European ancestor. It is still sportier than any MB diesels ever sold in North America.

MB has equipped its E350 with sporty 18 inch Denebola alloys but not in the Bluetec. I wonder why.

[harkgar]

Originally Posted by C5DRVR

Apparently BMW and Mercedes will be killing their V-8 diesels due to new emission requirements. This is a shame. I always hoped that they would someday come to the US. I saw this reported both in my current Motortrend magazine news and also here on this blog.

http://www.eurocarblog.com/post/705/...uper-diesel-v8

I saw some lunatic German guy driving his V8 E400 (or was it E320) turbo diesel on the Autobahn at crazy speeds (I think 150 mph).

These cars are built for enthusiast diesel drivers. There are not enough of them in the USA willing to pay big dollars for diesel V-8 sedans. Now the tree-huggers managed to kill them off totally.

It is amazing how a small number of tree-huggers in California succeeded in killing off powerful diesel drivers all over the world.

[harkgar]

I must clarify my last post. I saw the German driver on Youtube. I have never been in Germany.

[Carl Lassiter]

The CO2 emissions on the twin turbo 3liter BMW unit are very low. I'll look up the exact figures when I get chance.

Cali needs to wake up and realize Hybrids and there lies about great mileage won;t even be around in ten years. Hydrogen, that may work. Guess I'm just old school and like my cars to run by either petrol or diesel but not a hotch potch of both.

Incidentaly, the first car I bought for myself was a Golf 1.9TDi PD. 150bhp, 236lb/ft, 0-60 in 8.5secs a tested135mph and it gave me 50mpg, 40mpg if I were gunning it.

VW group make great 4cyl diesels. They have now replaced the 1.9 with a slightly less characterful 2.0 but it is now available in 170bhp form. Makes the A3 a great all rounder but sadly not in the US (though I hear we may be getting the 3-door sometime).

As regards, Merc, well the 420CDI is bruiser like the 4.2tdi in the A8. However, they should work on TTing the 320CDI as diesels make less and less sense the bigger they become. Look at the 5.0 V10 from VW. Just 309bhp and mileage in the low 20s.

[harkgar]

Originally Posted by Carl Lassiter

The CO2 emissions on the twin turbo 3liter BMW unit are very low. I'll look up the exact figures when I get chance.

Cali needs to wake up and realize Hybrids and there lies about great mileage won;t even be around in ten years. Hydrogen, that may work. Guess I'm just old school and like my cars to run by either petrol or diesel but not a hotch potch of both.

Incidentaly, the first car I bought for myself was a Golf 1.9TDi PD. 150bhp, 236lb/ft, 0-60 in 8.5secs a tested135mph and it gave me 50mpg, 40mpg if I were gunning it.

VW group make great 4cyl diesels. They have now replaced the 1.9 with a slightly less characterful 2.0 but it is now available in 170bhp form. Makes the A3 a great all rounder but sadly not in the US (though I hear we may be getting the 3-door sometime).

As regards, Merc, well the 420CDI is bruiser like the 4.2tdi in the A8. However, they should work on TTing the 320CDI as diesels make less and less sense the bigger they become. Look at the 5.0 V10 from VW. Just 309bhp and mileage in the low 20s.

Your diesel must have been heavily modified. The highest horsepower VW had in the Jetta and later Passat was the 1.9 liter and the 2.0 liter, both under 100 bhp standard.

You are right about the economy-power ratio. There is little point apart from big torque, in driving a diesel if you want big fuel economy as well. The new VW 2.0 liter Jetta TDi should have 140 bhp or so, not 170 bhp.

[Untertürkheim]

What timing for this thread, in considering employment options, some of which would bring me to Europe, the thought "Well, if I move to Europe, I can finally get the S420CDI I have been dreaming of" did cross my mind.

Sadly, it now looks more like a now or never scenario.

[240D 3.0T]

Originally Posted by harkgar

Now the tree-huggers managed to kill them off totally.

It is amazing how a small number of tree-huggers in California succeeded in killing off powerful diesel drivers all over the world.

What is REALLY pathetic is that they have convinced people that CO2 is a pollutant!

[C5DRVR]

Originally Posted by 240D 3.0T

What is REALLY pathetic is that they have convinced people that CO2 is a pollutant!

Yes, very pathetic. Maybe we all should just stop exhaling so much.

[Carl Lassiter]

Originally Posted by harkgar

Your diesel must have been heavily modified. The highest horsepower VW had in the Jetta and later Passat was the 1.9 liter and the 2.0 liter, both under 100 bhp standard.

You are right about the economy-power ratio. There is little point apart from big torque, in driving a diesel if you want big fuel economy as well. The new VW 2.0 liter Jetta TDi should have 140 bhp or so, not 170 bhp.

I was living in Europe.

My Golf was a 1.9tdi PD- 150bhp stock. They got 160bhp out of it at it's highest stock point.

New 2.0tdi offers 170ps in Europe

My friend had a chipped 1.9- 200bhp thanks to Revo.

[SuperTurbo]

Oh fudge..... canceling V8 Diesel?? man... hate to hear that....

But I am wonderin that how efficient will a V8 diesel on fuel economy if I drive on that thing slowly....

Since it can burn slowly & with more space to burn = more energy end up to the wheel rather than dumping minimum 50% out from exhaust gas...

But the only thing I always hear is WOW, it's VVVV888888, it eat gas or whatever like crazy....

Funny thing is many PPL do think & believe a smaller engine do equals to better....

[SuperTurbo]

Originally Posted by harkgar

Your diesel must have been heavily modified. The highest horsepower VW had in the Jetta and later Passat was the 1.9 liter and the 2.0 liter, both under 100 bhp standard.

You are right about the economy-power ratio. There is little point apart from big torque, in driving a diesel if you want big fuel economy as well. The new VW 2.0 liter Jetta TDi should have 140 bhp or so, not 170 bhp.

Actually north America's VW can hit that range too, but... VW is smart enough to put a ****ty tranny on...

All you really need to get that amount of power like those one in Euro is just fuel pump + injector + Turbo (may be intercooler) + ECU

So even you get all those good stuff from Europe, the tranny will blow...

Another thing which seems to drives me nuts about VW and that TDI engine is lots of maintenance... I hardly heard of anyone who can drive their VW without any maintenance (Like a Toyota, just regular oil change, and fix some wear & tear, then go)

[Brocktoon]

Originally Posted by 240D 3.0T

What is REALLY pathetic is that they have convinced people that CO2 is a pollutant!

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