I hate when others ask this question but...

[OJ's DNA]

I'm thinking of buying a 87 turbo-diesel wagon and wanted to know the 'big-hitter' I should look out for.

A little background, I previoulsy owned a 85 300D but never did much mechanicals on it. I've owned a 95 300D as well, worked on that some and I've also owned another W124 wagon and a few W201's so I familiar with overall issues of W201's and W124's and I know the suspension, brake systems, etc like nothing. What I'm more concerned about is this particular motor and vehicle and specifically if you were buying one would you look for?

I do know that it has about 250K on her, owner claims a little blow-by and other than that the car has small issues but nothing unusual - but the price is fair considering condition.

Anyway any specific items I should look for just throw them at me - much appreciated!

[lkchris]

The car is 21 years old.

Typically these cars require

auto transmission work
HVAC system work
rear suspension accumulators, and, frankly, all rubber bushings in the suspension, front and rear, are due for replacement
windshield wiper gearbox maintenance
possibly cruise control electronics repair


The trick to finding the best used one is determining how many of these things have been recently repaired. At this age, it's routine maintenance.

[Danno4x4]

I had a friend who had a 1987 300D and back then it was one of the fastest diesels I had ever been in...

However, the engine is a bit of a roll of the dice... It had a 3.0 L inline 6 that suffered from issues with the aluminum cylinder head. Here is a bit more information about the engine from Wikipedia:

Mercedes-Benz OM603
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Mercedes-Benz OM603 Diesel Engine Manufacturer Daimler-Benz
Production 1986 to 1997

The OM60x engine family was a straight-4,5,6 Diesel automobile engine from Mercedes-Benz used from 1984 through 1999 The 603 saw limited use in the 124, 126 and 140 model vehicles.

The 603 engine has a capacity of 2996cc and was an engineering marvel in pre-chamber design and a technological leap forward from the 5 cylinder OM617. Versions 603.961 and 603.971 are turbocharged; the others are naturally aspirated. Only turbocharged models were available on the U.S. market, and most Euopean models were not turbocharged.

The camshafts and injection pump are driven by duplex chain from the crankshaft. A separate single row chain drives the oil pump. The camshaft operated the valves via hydraulic bucket tappets; valve clearance adjustment is automatic.

Fuel injection is indirect. A Bosch PES in-line injection pump is used, with a mechanical governor and vacuum-operated stop control. The pump is lubricated by a connection to the engine oil circulation and the fuel lift pump is mounted on the side of the injection pump. Preheating is by glow plugs with automatic control of preheating time.

The 603 engine was (in)famous for several reasons: The emissions controls imposed in the US market led to the creation of a diesel catalyst, otherwise known as a trap oxidizer. Heat from these trap oxidizers caused failure of the aluminum cylinder heads on the first generation of 603-engined vehicles; debris from the traps could also damage the turbocharger. This first version was sold in the US from 1986 to 1987. Daimler-Benz will remove these traps for free, and if the turbocharger has been determined to be damaged it will also be replaced. Even without the heat from the trap oxidizers, the original pre -14 mold number cylinder heads were weak and if overheated could crack.

In 1990 the 350SD/SDL debuted, using a larger-displacement OM603 engine that had more torque and a lower top RPM. The engine lived on in the w140 chassis after the w126 production ended, as the 300SD or S350. By this time the cylinder head issues had been corrected. These 603.971 engined cars, however, had weak connecting rods that resulted in numerous engine failures. While never formally recalled, Daimler-Benz replaced many engines under warranty, even somewhat after the original warranty term expired (at least for the original owner). Conventional wisdom holds that cars with these engines are generally to be avoided unless accompanied by proof of a factory replacement engine, as the time of free replacement engines is long over.

The 'best' OM603 is the 3.5l factory replacement engine. Second-best is the earlier 3l engine using the later 3.5l cylinder head. (The latter are all that are available as replacement parts from the factory.) Next is the original 3l engine with an uncracked original-style head, which by one account has about a 20% chance of head failure in its service life if the trap oxidizer is removed before damage has been done. Last is the original 3.5l engine, which has a considerably higher incidence of failure. (The failure mode is reputedly that the rods bend a little, resulting in excessive side wear and ovaled cylinders. The only symptom is dramatically increased oil consumption, by which time the block damage is irreversible.)

[Untertürkheim]

Originally Posted by OJ's DNA

I'm thinking of buying a 87 turbo-diesel wagon and wanted to know the 'big-hitter' I should look out for.

A little background, I previoulsy owned a 85 300D but never did much mechanicals on it. I've owned a 95 300D as well, worked on that some and I've also owned another W124 wagon and a few W201's so I familiar with overall issues of W201's and W124's and I know the suspension, brake systems, etc like nothing. What I'm more concerned about is this particular motor and vehicle and specifically if you were buying one would you look for?

I do know that it has about 250K on her, owner claims a little blow-by and other than that the car has small issues but nothing unusual - but the price is fair considering condition.

Anyway any specific items I should look for just throw them at me - much appreciated!

Just check the head. Inspect the coolant carefully for oil and sludge (and to make sure it is MB coolant).

[OJ's DNA]

Thanks to all for the feedback - much appreciated, I'll let you know how it turns out!

[OJ's DNA]

Well I went and looked at the 87 300TD - here is the skinny.

- Oil looked good, no coolant or sluchy looking mixture
- engine was actually clean for 200K + miles on it
- It sat nice and level, po replaced accumulators recently
- Trap oxidizer and other recall stuff was done approx. 1999
- no head work, no problems ever with the motor so no work done
- a/c has been converted but didn't blow that cold (big surprise)
- back windows don't work
- tailgate doesn't stay up on its own
- tranny was smooth enough
- while I was at a stop light idling I could see grey smoke going by me
- the idle was a little low - at a stop it felt like the entire car was going to shake apart
- pressing the pedal slightly and raising the rpms took the shake away
- paint faded (buddy runs an auto body shop)
- overall impression was as expected - the outward appearance even with faded paint was better than expected
- the motor once rolling was smooth and powerful
- at idle or low speeds the car felt awkward (to be expected?)

Anyway I think I'll go and have my local MB mech have a look just so I can be sure of what I'm getting into. I realize its a 21 yr old car but I think it will be a good $85 investment.

Any other questions or things I should note when I go back to get the car checked?

Thanks - OJ