Corn Oil!!!!!!!

[baco99]

Originally Posted by 240D 3.0T No. Solar panels are bought, nobody has the resources to make their own. Buying them results in sales tax, manufacturer's supplies being taxed, transportation, installation ,etc. If they elect to do so they can even contribute to the power grid by feeding excess unused energy back to be consumed by others. WVO users are selfish, they help nobody but themselves and hurt everyone else. Furnaces have absolutely nothing at all to do with road taxes or taxes at all. What distorted point of view are you trying to push with that? WVO kits are also bought from reputable companies that pay their own taxes and then charge consumers sales taxes. if the idea were illegal, these companies would not be able to sell their equipment. if YOU have an issue with that, then i suggest you write to your local congressman. And home furnaces also have to do with taxes. if you believe WVO in your car is tax evasion, then you must also believe WVO in your home is tax evasion. home heating oil is taxed too. so is natural gas, LP gas, or any other type of fuel. using your line of reasoning almost all DIY home improvements, auto customization, or results of self-expression should be illegal. ever put higher wattage bulbs in your headlights? technically that's illegal and doesn't meet DOT regulations. ever use Compact Fluorescent bulbs at home? they would consume less electricity than a conventional bulb with the same light output in lumens. Less electricity use means a lower bill, which would also mean a lower tax on that bill. using your logic that's a form of tax evasion. not to mention the fact that CFLs last longer, which means fewer trips to Home Depot (less spent on gas/gas tax) and fewer bulbs purchased (less spent on sales tax). is buying something on Craigslist without sales tax illegal? how about yard sales? should we pay sales tax on yard sales too? And one last thing. did you ever think that with the money one could save using WVO, that they'd spend that money elsewhere in the economy? it all gets taxed somewhere so your point is moot. when you're off your horse about the taxation issue, can we start to talk about the technical aspects of WVO and the environmental benefits?

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[240D 3.0T]

Originally Posted by baco99

WVO kits are also bought from reputable companies that pay their own taxes and then charge consumers sales taxes.

Poor logic again. Solar powered homes do not wear roads, produce toxic pollution or use government funds to repair/maintain. WVO power wears roads that must be maintained by government funding.

Holy crap you have a poor thought process! All that ranting and NONE of it is worth anything!

[baco99]

Originally Posted by 240D 3.0T

Holy crap you have a poor thought process!

i'm using YOUR thought process, not mine.

we're done here. we can agree to disagree, but overtaking someone's thread about WVO to push your political agenda doesn't seem warranted and from reading some of the other posts here, it seems i'm not alone.

[eolon]

A n y h o w . . .

The OP (remember him?) was asking about running corn oil in his oelmotor.

The answer is yes, you can. Some people say this will cause your engine to immediately blow up with a loud noise, followed by your imminent arrest by agents of the Federal Government for failure to pay taxes on the air you breathe.

Other people (me) say I have been running vegetable oil for quite some time with no ill effects, no jailtime, no engine death, nothing by quiet, cost-effective propulsion.

You decide, and

Best Regards,

e

.::.

[240D 3.0T]

Originally Posted by eolon

The answer is no, you can't.

I corrected your mistake.

Oel motor does not translate into "trash disposal" or "anything-liquid". Mercedes designed their engines to run on Diesel fuel and approve of B5 biodiesel.

Just because a few nutjobs abuse their engines and have done so for "quite some time" does not mean anyone else should.

Lots of people have done cocaine for "quite some time" as well with no ill effects, no jailtime and no death. Does that mean its okay for everyone to use?

we're done here. we can agree to disagree, but overtaking someone's thread about WVO to push your political agenda doesn't seem warranted and from reading some of the other posts here, it seems i'm not alone.

I agree. Lawbreakers like you pushing their irresponsible hippie agenda is never warranted.

And one last thing. did you ever think that with the money one could save using WVO, that they'd spend that money elsewhere in the economy?

EXTREMELY poor logic again! It does not matter one hoot if they would spend the money elsewhere, its not their money to spend when its involved in illegal activities.

it all gets taxed somewhere so your point is moot

WRONG. The fact it gets taxed is moot when it is the WRONG TAX! Fuel tax goes to fix the roads that people like you wear and tear, sales tax does not. Robbing Peter to pay Paul does not work.

Its people like you that force the government to have police and enforcement officers. If people like you would always just do whats right and follow the rules the world would be a far better place.

If you don't like this country's laws or taxes then follow the law but fight to get it changed OR leave and find a country that has laws you do like!

Not liking the law is NOT an excuse to break it!

its a VERY simple concept. If you want raw or waste vegetable oil to become legal then file with the EPA to have them test and approve it as a legal fuel!

[EzekielGTi]

yes its possible but it requires more than just running a fuel line to a can of oil. Vegetable oil or VO needs to be heated so the viscosity of the oil can be reduced to flow through the fuel lines and out of the injectors. the heat of the oil aslo plays a big role in atomization of the VO so it can burn properly, usually there is a two tank setup one with VO and one with Diesel. the Diesel is used on start up to warm the engine and use that engine heat to warm the oil, shut off is also run on diesel to clean the lines of the VO and ensure easy starting next time around.

i dont own a M-B myself yet but im on the hunt for a clean inexpensive 300TD to do the convesrion. i figure if i also add propane injection i can have a fairly quick nece looking and luxurious Mercedes thats almost 100% "green" check out www.greasecar.com

-cheers


(sorry didnt realize when i posted this was an old thread and therefore old news.)

[baco99]

Originally Posted by 240D 3.0T

its a VERY simple concept. If you want raw or waste vegetable oil to become legal then file with the EPA to have them test and approve it as a legal fuel!

Not necessary. The IRS now has a provision for individuals to pay .244 cents per gallon of alternative fuel/bio-fuel used in motor vehicles. Form 637 is an applicant form for paying federal excise tax, form 720 is the evaluation form that is filed quarterly and documents alternative fuel usage. The language to include alternative and bio fuels in with "terminal" fuels was recently changed in 2008.

So, you can have your WVO and pay taxes on it too. Now we're all happy!

[240D 3.0T]

Incorrect. The IRS is not the EPA. Its still illegal to use WVO or SVO in an on-road vehicle. The application you listed only covers Biodiesel.

WVO and SVO are not biodiesel.

[baco99]

Originally Posted by 240D 3.0T

Incorrect. The IRS is not the EPA. Its still illegal to use WVO or SVO in an on-road vehicle. The application you listed only covers Biodiesel.

WVO and SVO are not biodiesel.

call them yourself. the list includes "liquid fuel derived from bio-mass." WVO/SVO is exactly that. and besides, your issue was with taxation, this solves it.

[240D 3.0T]

your issue was with taxation

WRONG. The issue is with the EPA. WVO and SVO are not legal to use on public roads. They are not approved by the EPA to be used as a fuel, no conversions have been certified and its illegal to modify the fuel system without it being certified. Period.

[baco99]

Originally Posted by 240D 3.0T

WRONG. The issue is with the EPA. WVO and SVO are not legal to use on public roads. They are not approved by the EPA to be used as a fuel, no conversions have been certified and its illegal to modify the fuel system without it being certified. Period.

OK, but everything you said above has to do with taxes. I'll look up the EPA stuff now so I can show you the light on that end as well.

Originally Posted by 240D 3.0T

While people like me and most everyone here PAY OUR TAXES to keep the roads maintained, people like you wear the roads for free.

Originally Posted by 240D 3.0T

It doesn't matter what % of your income, even if it is 100% of your income there is no excuse to evade taxes. If you don't like how you are being taxed, fight to get the tax laws changed or repealed.

Originally Posted by 240D 3.0T

WVO power wears roads that must be maintained by government funding.

Originally Posted by 240D 3.0T

Fuel tax goes to fix the roads that people like you wear and tear, sales tax does not. Robbing Peter to pay Paul does not work.

[240D 3.0T]

Originally Posted by baco99

I'll look up the EPA stuff now so I can show you the light on that end as well.

There is no "light" to show. It IS ILLEGAL. Period.

From: Russo.Rebecca@epamail.epa.gov
Subject: Re: not sure if WVO/SVO is approved to be used as an on-road fuel
Date: December 31, 2007 10:22:01 AM MST

Hello Lance,
Thank you for your e-mail concerning using waste vegetable oil or straight vegetable oil as a fuel to power your diesel vehicle. Waste vegetable oil or straight vegetable oil cannot legally be used in vehicles. Raw vegetable oil or recycled greases (also called waste cooking oil) that have not been processed into esters are not biodiesel, and are not registered by EPA for legal use in vehicles. In addition, vehicles converted to use these oils would likely need to be certified by the EPA; to date EPA has not certified any conversions. These conversions may also violate the terms of the vehicle warranty. For more information on the certification process, please visit EPA's Web site at: www.epa.gov/otaq/cert/dearmfr/cisd0602.pdf

Biodiesel (for example B20) is a great fueling option. You can find
information on biodiesel at our website:
http://www.epa.gov/smartway/growandg...-biodiesel.htm

Also, please find below a link to biodiesel.org and a fact sheet on the
difference between biodiesel and vegetable oil. Using straight
vegetable oil in your vehicle can harm your vehicle and negate your
vehicle warranty.
http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/faqs/

If you have any further questions, please feel free to give me a call at
303-312-6757.

Rebecca Russo
EPA Region 8
Air Quality Planning & Management Unit
Ph: (303) 312-6757

[tanktube67]

[240D 3.0T]

Post wh0ring much lately?

[BenzMan1]

I live in Louisville now and I am seeing more and more of this series diesel engines being converted to veggi oil. Do a google and search veggi fuel and Louisville. You may find the website for the movement here.

[240D 3.0T]

Originally Posted by BenzMan1

I am seeing more and more of this series diesel engines being converted to veggi oil.

Thats why its called a fad. Don't be one of the sheep blindly following the herd.

[tanktube67]

[240D 3.0T]

Seriously guy, enough with the post whoring!

[tanktube67]

The wolrd whoring does not exsist on the diccionary

[240D 3.0T]

"exsist" "wolrd" "diccionary" are not in the dictionary either, whoring is. Looks like you need to open one and read it for awhile.

whore |hôr|
noun derogatory
a prostitute.
• a promiscuous woman.
verb [ intrans. ]
(of a woman) work as a prostitute
• [often as n. ] ( whoring) (of a man) use the services of prostitutes
• debase oneself by doing something for unworthy motives, typically to make money

[tanktube67]

Oel motor does not translate into "trash disposal"

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Oel is not in the diccionary

[240D 3.0T]

Obviously those not educated in the world would miss that Oel is the English version of the GERMAN word Öl. Most english speaking people don't know what the umlaut over the O means so Oe is used in place of Ö.

Öl {n} German
1: oil

Please post whore, continue grasping at straws and making a fool of yourself.

[tanktube67]

Originally Posted by 240D 3.0T

Obviously those not educated in the world would miss that Oel is the English version of the GERMAN word Öl. Most english speaking people don't know what the umlaut over the O means so Oe is used in place of Ö.

Öl {n} German
1: oil

Please post whore, continue grasping at straws and making a fool of yourself.

perdon me sir for not speaking german
perdoname senor por no ablar aleman
perdoname Monsieur pour ne pas parler allemand
perdono per tedesco non parlante
perdao para o alemao nao falador

[Flatlander1961]

I have seen 123's for sale that have a vegetable oil conversion done to them. 1st, would anyone buy one of these for any reason, or is it best to stay away from them. 2nd if the car is still worth buying, can you run diesel only on a converted car, and if so, would the pre-heater be an advantage or not? I am planning on adding another 123 diesel soon.

[240D 3.0T]

Originally Posted by Flatlander1961

1st, would anyone buy one of these for any reason

Buy? You couldn't pay me to take one of those abused piles.

or is it best to stay away from them

Its best to stay away from vegetable oil entirely. Diesel and BioDiesel are all that should ever be put in the fuel tank.

These are Diesel engines not Trash Compactor engines. Leave the waste oil to be properly recycled. Burning it in an engine not designed for it is a very dirty, irresponsible and illegal way to dispose of it.