H&R's installed today

JSe420 · 11-01-2009, 10:51 PM

Installed H&R lowering springs in my 420 today. Riding on stock shocks

But Bilstein sports are on there way. How much do u think the Bilsteins will bring it up? Ideally i would like it to be about a half inch higher in the rear but idk if that gunna happen

What do you guys think??

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bsmuwk · 11-01-2009, 11:53 PM

New shocks will definitely bring the rear up a bit. Otherwise, the rest of the car and lowering suit well.

ps2cho · 11-02-2009, 12:00 AM

Wanna make a short DIY in my thread? I'm going to be doing mine in the very near future so any tips would be much appreciated.

JSe420 · 11-02-2009, 12:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ps2cho

Wanna make a short DIY in my thread? I'm going to be doing mine in the very near future so any tips would be much appreciated.

Its really an easy job if you have the mercedes spring compressor tool. I had the job 100% done in about 2 hours. The rear ones were a little more time consuming. Here is what the tool looks like http://www.performanceproducts4benz....l_P58-018X.jpg

If you have any other questions I could definitely point u in the right direction.

ksing44 · 11-02-2009, 07:43 AM

I had a similar issue when I installed the Eibach ProKit springs. I ended up going back under the car and increasing the size of the pads in the rear. I have 1-bump front and 3-bump rear. I hated that sagging look with it too low in the rear. To me it made it look like an old broken down Benz, rather than a nicely lowered sporty sedan. The very low rear also causes way too much negative camber.

I thought the H&R tended to lower the front more than the back. I guess it is different for every car. What spring pads did you use?

appatula · 11-02-2009, 10:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSe420

Its really an easy job if you have the mercedes spring compressor tool. I had the job 100% done in about 2 hours. The rear ones were a little more time consuming. Here is what the tool looks like http://www.performanceproducts4benz....l_P58-018X.jpg

If you have any other questions I could definitely point u in the right direction.

Do you own a spring compressor or rent? Source? Sure beats having to risk your life doing the job without one, a job I am so familliar with....

Looks good!!!! ksing44 is right, if you are still unhappy with the front and rear heights you can tweak it with different thickness bump pads to get it nearly perfect. Good thing is they are pretty cheap at the dealership.

JSe420 · 11-02-2009, 12:25 PM

thanks for the comments. Im currently running stock bumps front and rear. I have bilstein sports on the way for the rear which i hope will bring up the rear to where it should be. If i need to i will get some new bumps for it. The front i am happy with but the rear rubs with someone sitting in the back seat. It sits wayyy to close to the tire even without anyone in the back.

As for the spring compressor, i use the one we have at my shop. I work at a small mercedes shop on the cape. If you feel like makin a trip out to the cape anytime soon im sure you could borrow it. Also, appatula, i think i read somewhere that u had camber adjusters? If so i may interested in buying them off you. Let me know

appatula · 11-02-2009, 01:32 PM

Thanks man! I actually traveled yearly to Hyannis as my girlfriend has relatives up there but they recently sold the cape. Bumpstop adjustment should solve your issues, the sports will also give you some height, my HD's did. I do have rear Benzboy camber adjusters, they are litteraly new, less than 200miles on them.

JSe420 · 11-02-2009, 03:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by appatula

Thanks man! I actually traveled yearly to Hyannis as my girlfriend has relatives up there but they recently sold the cape. Bumpstop adjustment should solve your issues, the sports will also give you some height, my HD's did. I do have rear Benzboy camber adjusters, they are litteraly new, less than 200miles on them.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm... how much were you lookin to get for them?? PM me

OJ's DNA · 11-02-2009, 06:41 PM

Maybe it was the angle but that first picture taken from the front, it appeared the rear was way lower in proportion to the front any reason why? And why do you think the Billy sports will raise it up a bit - because the OE's are shot and you're thinking new struts and shocks will 'lift' it up a little? It might but I'm thinking there wont be that much of a difference. Looks good though - I love the beefy back end lowered (although it's too much right now) good on for attempting this job, it freaks a lot of people out but it's really worth it if you like that look.

JSe420 · 11-02-2009, 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OJ's DNA

Maybe it was the angle but that first picture taken from the front, it appeared the rear was way lower in proportion to the front any reason why? And why do you think the Billy sports will raise it up a bit - because the OE's are shot and you're thinking new struts and shocks will 'lift' it up a little? It might but I'm thinking there wont be that much of a difference. Looks good though - I love the beefy back end lowered (although it's too much right now) good on for attempting this job, it freaks a lot of people out but it's really worth it if you like that look.

The reason it appears to be that way even more in that picture is because my driveway is a tiny bit uphill. The bilsteins sports are stiffer than the stock shocks so they can only improve the rear end sag which is the reason why i bought them. There is always little tweaks that need to be made after going lower but ill get it right eventually.

appatula · 11-03-2009, 07:54 PM

YGPMed

JSe420 · 11-03-2009, 11:41 PM

some pics with bilstein sports installed in the rear. Unfortunately dont have any full car pics but i will snap some tomorrow.

With stock shocks:

With Bilstein Sports:

appatula · 11-04-2009, 09:30 AM

BIGGG DIFFERENCE!

Looks great!

pifcat2 · 11-04-2009, 04:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSe420

Its really an easy job if you have the mercedes spring compressor tool. I had the job 100% done in about 2 hours. The rear ones were a little more time consuming. Here is what the tool looks like http://www.performanceproducts4benz....l_P58-018X.jpg

If you have any other questions I could definitely point u in the right direction.

I've installed springs before but I'd like to know the different "bump" sizes and part numbers. It seems you'll have to first install the springs, let them settle and determine if you need to later adjust the height by installing different bumps if necessary...

ps2cho · 11-04-2009, 08:03 PM

So you must get the Mercedes specific spring compressor for the job?

JSe420 · 11-04-2009, 09:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pifcat2

I've installed springs before but I'd like to know the different "bump" sizes and part numbers. It seems you'll have to first install the springs, let them settle and determine if you need to later adjust the height by installing different bumps if necessary...

To be honest with u i would like to know the same thing as far as the spring bumps cuz im not sure either

But you are correct about adjusting the height after installing the springs. Thats what im doing anyway. I have already put in the rear bilstein sports and i ordered the front ones today so those will be installed either tomorrow or friday.

JSe420 · 11-06-2009, 12:01 AM

well i was going to try to hold off on the fronts for a while and just ride on the stock shocks for as long as i could. But after experiencing the ride quality of the bilsteins in the rear, the fronts were necessary

CharlesCarino · 11-07-2009, 12:55 PM

Jes..

What tire size are you running?

i have the same exact setup- bil sports and HR.. but have yet to install them.

CharlesCarino · 11-07-2009, 08:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlesCarino

Jes..

What tire size are you running?

i have the same exact setup- bil sports and HR.. but have yet to install them.

nevermind, 215 55 16.... pictures in the post didnt show up on the computers at work...

mdjhomes · 11-09-2009, 10:42 PM

Thanks to share this information

ps2cho · 11-10-2009, 03:07 AM

Anybody got a good source for the cheapest H&R? I'm ready to purchase mine. Ebay looks to be ~$270 /w shipping. Anybody cheaper than this?

I'm going to be running very similar to you except I have Bilstein comforts in front and Bilstein sports in rear (got sports for $8 at junkyard....so not bothered with matching it now lol). My tires are 205 55 16.

pifcat2 · 11-10-2009, 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ps2cho

Anybody got a good source for the cheapest H&R? I'm ready to purchase mine. Ebay looks to be ~$270 /w shipping. Anybody cheaper than this?

I'm going to be running very similar to you except I have Bilstein comforts in front and Bilstein sports in rear (got sports for $8 at junkyard....so not bothered with matching it now lol). My tires are 205 55 16.

That's about as low as I've found at least for the wagon. I got mine from propartsusa on eBay. I didn't catch that they charged CA tax so you may want to look out of state...

teezer · 11-10-2009, 06:28 PM

tire rack has them for $247 + shipping

JSe420 · 11-12-2009, 11:45 PM

ChrisDPham found the h&r's on ebay and sent the link over to me and I just grabbed them... i think it came out to 265 or something.

But anyway, my 215's rub in the front, not too bad but definitely something I want to take care of. Will post pics tomorrow.

heres a couple pics of how it sits

11-01-2009, 11:53 PM	#2
bsmuwk Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 45 Drives: 1992 300CE Sportline	New shocks will definitely bring the rear up a bit. Otherwise, the rest of the car and lowering suit well. __________________ Allen K. MBCA Member - K061908 -Join MBCA 1992 Mercedes 300CE Sportline 1985 Mercedes 190E 2.3 5 speed donor car

11-02-2009, 12:00 AM	#3
ps2cho MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,391 Drives: 1988 300TE, 1987 260E	Wanna make a short DIY in my thread? I'm going to be doing mine in the very near future so any tips would be much appreciated. __________________ 1988 Pearl Grey Metallic Mercedes 300TE - 98k miles 1987 Black Mercedes 260E - 86k miles

11-02-2009, 07:43 AM	#5
ksing44 Super Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Southeast PA Posts: 692 Drives: 1995 E320	Spring pads I had a similar issue when I installed the Eibach ProKit springs. I ended up going back under the car and increasing the size of the pads in the rear. I have 1-bump front and 3-bump rear. I hated that sagging look with it too low in the rear. To me it made it look like an old broken down Benz, rather than a nicely lowered sporty sedan. The very low rear also causes way too much negative camber. I thought the H&R tended to lower the front more than the back. I guess it is different for every car. What spring pads did you use? __________________ I just couldn't give up on my 1995 E320. I think it might be like always going back to that same bad relationship with an ex girlfriend. You feel you love them too much, or you are just too stupid to know any better.

11-02-2009, 12:25 PM	#7
JSe420 Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 181 Drives: 1994 E420 & 1998 Chevy Blazer (winter)	thanks for the comments. Im currently running stock bumps front and rear. I have bilstein sports on the way for the rear which i hope will bring up the rear to where it should be. If i need to i will get some new bumps for it. The front i am happy with but the rear rubs with someone sitting in the back seat. It sits wayyy to close to the tire even without anyone in the back. As for the spring compressor, i use the one we have at my shop. I work at a small mercedes shop on the cape. If you feel like makin a trip out to the cape anytime soon im sure you could borrow it. Also, appatula, i think i read somewhere that u had camber adjusters? If so i may interested in buying them off you. Let me know __________________

11-02-2009, 01:32 PM	#8
appatula Super Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Connecticut, New Haven Posts: 755 Drives: 1986 300E	Thanks man! I actually traveled yearly to Hyannis as my girlfriend has relatives up there but they recently sold the cape. Bumpstop adjustment should solve your issues, the sports will also give you some height, my HD's did. I do have rear Benzboy camber adjusters, they are litteraly new, less than 200miles on them. __________________ \|_1st-1980 280CE=TOTALED_\|_2nd 1999 C280=TOTALED(rollover)_\|_Current 1986 300E=She lives! 160K_\| Visit RHW's, aka Rich's Website For More Pics! Thanks to Zorro For Sig Pic!

11-02-2009, 06:41 PM	#10
OJ's DNA Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Temecula, CA Posts: 97 Drives: 95 E300	Maybe it was the angle but that first picture taken from the front, it appeared the rear was way lower in proportion to the front any reason why? And why do you think the Billy sports will raise it up a bit - because the OE's are shot and you're thinking new struts and shocks will 'lift' it up a little? It might but I'm thinking there wont be that much of a difference. Looks good though - I love the beefy back end lowered (although it's too much right now) good on for attempting this job, it freaks a lot of people out but it's really worth it if you like that look. __________________ 86 190 2.3-16V "1st 16V imported in NA" 138,000 92 300TE - 170,000 - sold 95 E300 - 228,000 92 190 2.6 - sold 91 190 2.3 - sold 85 300D - sold

11-03-2009, 07:54 PM	#12
appatula Super Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Connecticut, New Haven Posts: 755 Drives: 1986 300E	YGPMed __________________ \|_1st-1980 280CE=TOTALED_\|_2nd 1999 C280=TOTALED(rollover)_\|_Current 1986 300E=She lives! 160K_\| Visit RHW's, aka Rich's Website For More Pics! Thanks to Zorro For Sig Pic!

11-03-2009, 11:41 PM	#13
JSe420 Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 181 Drives: 1994 E420 & 1998 Chevy Blazer (winter)	some pics with bilstein sports installed in the rear. Unfortunately dont have any full car pics but i will snap some tomorrow. With stock shocks: With Bilstein Sports: __________________

11-04-2009, 09:30 AM	#14
appatula Super Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Connecticut, New Haven Posts: 755 Drives: 1986 300E	BIGGG DIFFERENCE! Looks great! __________________ \|_1st-1980 280CE=TOTALED_\|_2nd 1999 C280=TOTALED(rollover)_\|_Current 1986 300E=She lives! 160K_\| Visit RHW's, aka Rich's Website For More Pics! Thanks to Zorro For Sig Pic!

11-04-2009, 08:03 PM	#16
ps2cho MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,391 Drives: 1988 300TE, 1987 260E	So you must get the Mercedes specific spring compressor for the job? __________________ 1988 Pearl Grey Metallic Mercedes 300TE - 98k miles 1987 Black Mercedes 260E - 86k miles

11-06-2009, 12:01 AM	#18
JSe420 Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 181 Drives: 1994 E420 & 1998 Chevy Blazer (winter)	well i was going to try to hold off on the fronts for a while and just ride on the stock shocks for as long as i could. But after experiencing the ride quality of the bilsteins in the rear, the fronts were necessary __________________

11-07-2009, 12:55 PM	#19
CharlesCarino Super Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Detriot, Michigan Posts: 625 Drives: 1979 300D / 1994 e320 / 2001 c320	Jes.. What tire size are you running? i have the same exact setup- bil sports and HR.. but have yet to install them. __________________ C320 l Argos (broken) l Bi-Xenon l Clear Fog Lens l 07 Smart-Key l 06 Sport Grill l AMG-style Wood Steering Wheel l Euro-Comand l K&N Filters l OEM Roof Rack l Flat Hood Badge l OEM All-Season Floor Mats l OEM Aluminum Sport Pedals l Clear Side Markers l w220 tail lights l H&R springs -front- l H&R cupkit -rear- l E320 l K&N Filter l Keyless Entry l Remote Start l 17" OEM Sador Rims l Bilstein HD l OEM Roof Rack l 300D l 15" Mille Miglia Bello l OEM Roof Rack l

11-09-2009, 10:42 PM	#21
mdjhomes Newbie Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11 Drives: yes	Thanks to share this information __________________ Have you ever bought a runescape accounts with all the skills more than fifty?That sounds impossible but it is true.

11-10-2009, 03:07 AM	#22
ps2cho MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,391 Drives: 1988 300TE, 1987 260E	Anybody got a good source for the cheapest H&R? I'm ready to purchase mine. Ebay looks to be ~$270 /w shipping. Anybody cheaper than this? I'm going to be running very similar to you except I have Bilstein comforts in front and Bilstein sports in rear (got sports for $8 at junkyard....so not bothered with matching it now lol). My tires are 205 55 16. __________________ 1988 Pearl Grey Metallic Mercedes 300TE - 98k miles 1987 Black Mercedes 260E - 86k miles

11-10-2009, 06:28 PM	#24
teezer Newbie Join Date: Dec 2007 Posts: 14 Drives: 1989 300ce	tire rack has them for $247 + shipping

11-12-2009, 11:45 PM	#25
JSe420 Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 181 Drives: 1994 E420 & 1998 Chevy Blazer (winter)	ChrisDPham found the h&r's on ebay and sent the link over to me and I just grabbed them... i think it came out to 265 or something. But anyway, my 215's rub in the front, not too bad but definitely something I want to take care of. Will post pics tomorrow. heres a couple pics of how it sits __________________

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