e320 4 matic...i wanna lower my ride

stunna202 · 10-05-2009, 01:00 AM

from wut i read is it true that i need special lowering springs for my 98 4 matic?

all info u can pass on to me will be a big help thanks guys!

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Rat · 10-05-2009, 02:34 AM

why people want to do that? you really want something on the road hit your car and create huge damage?

raymond g- · 10-05-2009, 10:18 AM

come now, there are degrees of lowering. s/he didn't say 'slammed'.
to the OP, check for posts by "ghaffer"

stunna202 · 10-06-2009, 05:38 PM

ya i didnt say slammed!

i just wanna lower a lil bit so when i put 18's or 19's it doesnt look like a 4x4

ohlord · 10-07-2009, 08:53 PM

want 19's they ruin the ride.
Remove the springs,cold cut saw 1 1/2 coil from each spring measured properly and reinstall.Get camber eccentrics and rear links and a good align and call it good.

illest · 10-10-2009, 08:20 PM

about how much of a drop will you get from cutting 1.5 coils?

kyosuke · 10-10-2009, 10:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ohlord

want 19's they ruin the ride.
Remove the springs,cold cut saw 1 1/2 coil from each spring measured properly and reinstall.Get camber eccentrics and rear links and a good align and call it good.

this is a benz,even 240sx guys dont dare cut their springs because it ruins the suspension over time to a degree where theres no turning back and you wont be able to have an alignment done ever again.

ohlord · 10-10-2009, 11:46 PM

We have be racing MB with cut springs for years. Even the factory guys still do it. All you change is the spring rate about 10% and if done with a cold saw and not heat you won't fatigue the spring a bit.
Aftermarket springs often exhibit far more than 10%
You can still get it aligned.
Dealer sponsored track cars do it all the time.
Mb shop foremen do it to their track/road cars

4matics have very few options available in lowering kits if you can find them at all. So a good proper cut does the trick. Old springs cut right don't change rate after the cut and -1.5 neg camber is not hard to correct.

raymond g- · 10-11-2009, 03:17 AM

Quote:

about how much of a drop will you get from cutting 1.5 coils?

i'm taking a stab here....

since ohlord has, in the past, suggested 1.5 coil trim, he is/was referring
to RWD. for the 4matic, the coil will need to be cut specific to the coil-
over design and thus, different than RWD.

stunna202 · 10-12-2009, 04:49 PM

was reading everyones comments here and i dont know what to do now....cutting the springs sounds like a plan but u gotta cut it to the specific coil design seems very tricky!

i was wondering if i can just put amg springs on my 4 matic ??wud it work?

raymond g- · 10-12-2009, 05:20 PM

don't think you can drop in E55 springs. pretty sure the E55 design is based
on seperate shock v springs, whereas 4matic has coil-over configuration

ohlord · 10-12-2009, 05:42 PM

they are different springs.Made to fit the shocks which have a U shape on the bottom that the axle goes through on the 4matic.
http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb2.asp...SGR=052&SGN=01
bottom diagram.The front axle goes through the inverted U at the bottom of the shock.

look at the 4matic spring the ends are tangential front and rear.Meaning you can chop them
So spend the time and if you go a bit at a time start at 1 coil and go more later.
You will be spending additional money on camber units so budget them in also.
Maybe I should start building custom springs and shorter travel shocks with proper brackets.Titanium coils sounds like a winner $$$$

10-05-2009, 10:18 AM	#3
raymond g- MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 3,527 Drives: 99e320, 00e320, YSR-50, Kymco150, ZRX1200R	come now, there are degrees of lowering. s/he didn't say 'slammed'. to the OP, check for posts by "ghaffer" __________________ raymond- 47º34'N 122º18'W

10-07-2009, 08:53 PM	#5
ohlord MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,438 Drives: E55 powered E320 Wagon,1971MGB Track/Rally, MG Midget Autocross,94subaru, 2000 E320 wagon.	You don't want 19's they ruin the ride. Remove the springs,cold cut saw 1 1/2 coil from each spring measured properly and reinstall.Get camber eccentrics and rear links and a good align and call it good. __________________ "whatever you say, you speak into existence" ohlord Cognomen is in homage to the late great Janis Joplin "Oh lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz" W210 Wagons,a few MG's,assorted others and a partridge in a pear tree. pm me if you need me

10-10-2009, 08:20 PM	#6
illest Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: dc Posts: 173 Drives: 4 matic	about how much of a drop will you get from cutting 1.5 coils? __________________ Stuff for sale - LED City Lights - Chrome key shell Click Here

10-10-2009, 11:46 PM	#8
ohlord MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,438 Drives: E55 powered E320 Wagon,1971MGB Track/Rally, MG Midget Autocross,94subaru, 2000 E320 wagon.	Another myth We have be racing MB with cut springs for years. Even the factory guys still do it. All you change is the spring rate about 10% and if done with a cold saw and not heat you won't fatigue the spring a bit. Aftermarket springs often exhibit far more than 10% You can still get it aligned. Dealer sponsored track cars do it all the time. Mb shop foremen do it to their track/road cars 4matics have very few options available in lowering kits if you can find them at all. So a good proper cut does the trick. Old springs cut right don't change rate after the cut and -1.5 neg camber is not hard to correct. __________________ "whatever you say, you speak into existence" ohlord Cognomen is in homage to the late great Janis Joplin "Oh lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz" W210 Wagons,a few MG's,assorted others and a partridge in a pear tree. pm me if you need me

10-12-2009, 05:20 PM	#11
raymond g- MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Seattle WA Posts: 3,527 Drives: 99e320, 00e320, YSR-50, Kymco150, ZRX1200R	don't think you can drop in E55 springs. pretty sure the E55 design is based on seperate shock v springs, whereas 4matic has coil-over configuration __________________ raymond- 47º34'N 122º18'W

10-05-2009, 02:34 AM	#2
Rat Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Texas Posts: 36 Drives: 1997 E420	why people want to do that? you really want something on the road hit your car and create huge damage?

10-06-2009, 05:38 PM	#4
stunna202 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 12 Drives: 95 c220	ya i didnt say slammed! i just wanna lower a lil bit so when i put 18's or 19's it doesnt look like a 4x4

10-12-2009, 04:49 PM	#10
stunna202 Newbie Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Vancouver BC Posts: 12 Drives: 95 c220	was reading everyones comments here and i dont know what to do now....cutting the springs sounds like a plan but u gotta cut it to the specific coil design seems very tricky! i was wondering if i can just put amg springs on my 4 matic ??wud it work?

10-12-2009, 05:42 PM	#12
ohlord MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Apr 2007 Posts: 4,438 Drives: E55 powered E320 Wagon,1971MGB Track/Rally, MG Midget Autocross,94subaru, 2000 E320 wagon.	No they are different springs.Made to fit the shocks which have a U shape on the bottom that the axle goes through on the 4matic. http://www.detali.ru/cat/oem_mb2.asp...SGR=052&SGN=01 bottom diagram.The front axle goes through the inverted U at the bottom of the shock. look at the 4matic spring the ends are tangential front and rear.Meaning you can chop them So spend the time and if you go a bit at a time start at 1 coil and go more later. You will be spending additional money on camber units so budget them in also. Maybe I should start building custom springs and shorter travel shocks with proper brackets.Titanium coils sounds like a winner $$$$ __________________ "whatever you say, you speak into existence" ohlord Cognomen is in homage to the late great Janis Joplin "Oh lord won't you buy me a Mercedes Benz" W210 Wagons,a few MG's,assorted others and a partridge in a pear tree. pm me if you need me Last edited by ohlord; 10-12-2009 at 06:16 PM.

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