How do you know the Global Warming Scam is over?

[LRM1]

Originally Posted by hkmb Honestly, this scepticism - which is pretty much confined to the US - absolutely mystifies me. True, because nobody else gives a ****. We have too much time on our hands here.

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[dmatre]

Originally Posted by revstriker

Wow, I'm surprised you didn't include American Idol, and Reality TV in there.

Performance is evaluated by RESULTS, not by actions or intentions. Up till now, the performance doesn't match the rhetoric - on any of the topics listed.

[LRM1]

Originally Posted by dmatre

Bill O'Reilly, Glenn Beck (on CNN, no less), Rush Limbaugh, Tucker Carlson (again CNN) come to mind immediately; so they're not SO hard to find.

SO you consider these people to be journalists? Do you know the difference between a political commentator and a journalist? Apparently not. They state very clearly who they are, what they stand for and they say it every day. I belive what is being discussed here is the editorial tendancy of trying to damage the opposing party by slanting stories or only focusing on the negative while presenting it ans "unbiased news".

Big difference there.

Wolf Blitzer-Journalist. O'Reilly-Commentator.

[LRM1]

Originally Posted by dmatre

Just wonderin' why our economy, the dollar, the war, public opinion, consumer sentiment, and 4000 of our soldiers are all in the same place after 8 years of "Christian", "Conservative" leadership?

What happened to "tax cuts are good for the economy"?
What happened to "Mission Accomplished"?

Seems that your ideals may be lofty, but the results gained by our leader with these ideals are less than stellar (to say the least). Next time I hope that we get a leader with intelligence rather than "Conservative", "Christian" ideals.

Ah, and Bill Clinton with his atheist, liberal ideals accomplished so much - or did he even try, maybe he was just looking to get laid.

You can't tell the difference between someone who's paid to preacha nd a newsman and you're lecturing on how bad conservatives and christians are? Please, go back to high school and open a book.

[dmatre]

Originally Posted by LRM1

SO you consider these people to be journalists? Do you know the difference between a political commentator and a journalist? Apparently not. They state very clearly who they are, what they stand for and they say it every day. I belive what is being discussed here is the editorial tendancy of trying to damage the opposing party by slanting stories or only focusing on the negative while presenting it ans "unbiased news".

Big difference there.

Wolf Blitzer-Journalist. O'Reilly-Commentator.

In today's 24-hour news environment, there are few (if any) REAL journalists (doing their own investigation and reporting) left. They are all either commentators, or press-release-readers. Watch each network's newscasts, and see if you don't start to see a pattern - CNN airing more interviews with Disney/ABC celebrities, etc. It's now news/entertainment/cross-marketing/crass-commercialism, rather than true reporting.

Today it's all about using celebrity (news/opinion 'celebrities' such as O'Reilly, Blitzer, Katie Couric, Anderson Cooper, etc.) to get ratings. Even Lou Dobbs, who started out as a voice for the middle class, is now simply self-promoting every chance he gets.

So no, they may not be doing the same job (O'Reilly and Blitzer), but they're not so far apart as you think.

[dmatre]

Originally Posted by LRM1

Ah, and Bill Clinton with his atheist, liberal ideals accomplished so much - or did he even try, maybe he was just looking to get laid.

You can't tell the difference between someone who's paid to preacha nd a newsman and you're lecturing on how bad conservatives and christians are? Please, go back to high school and open a book.

If you read my posts to say how 'bad' conservatives & Christians are, then I wasn't clear enough. I don't think that all conservatives & Christians are bad, but I do think that simply being conservative & Christian doesn't make you good; and that simply being C&C doesn't automatically mean that one is qualified to perform a duty - there are other factors which are far more important than these.

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by dmatre

In today's 24-hour news environment, there are few (if any) REAL journalists (doing their own investigation and reporting) left. They are all either commentators, or press-release-readers. Watch each network's newscasts, and see if you don't start to see a pattern - CNN airing more interviews with Disney/ABC celebrities, etc. It's now news/entertainment/cross-marketing/crass-commercialism, rather than true reporting.

Today it's all about using celebrity (news/opinion 'celebrities' such as O'Reilly, Blitzer, Katie Couric, Anderson Cooper, etc.) to get ratings. Even Lou Dobbs, who started out as a voice for the middle class, is now simply self-promoting every chance he gets.

So no, they may not be doing the same job (O'Reilly and Blitzer), but they're not so far apart as you think.

I agree that the line is getting fuzzy, but if someone is presenting themselves as a newsman/woman, and their team as a news team, then they should be reporting in an open objective manner, not slanting the news, or only reporting specific stories based on ideological beliefs. As much as Blitzer, Couric and others try to mix in entertainment (after all, it is all about the ratings), when it comes to reporting the "news", there should be no slant, and it should be balanced, and not one sided. This is still what the people want.

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by dmatre

If you read my posts to say how 'bad' conservatives & Christians are, then I wasn't clear enough. I don't think that all conservatives & Christians are bad, but I do think that simply being conservative & Christian doesn't make you good; and that simply being C&C doesn't automatically mean that one is qualified to perform a duty - there are other factors which are far more important than these.

I've read, and re-read your post, and I still can't understand what point you were trying to make. The discussion was about the perception that the Democrats are more likely to stand behind their candidates, even when they have have committed unethical and even criminal acts; defending them to the end. While the Republicans are more likely to condemn the person. It was noted that this could be said for Muslims and Christians, Muslims standing behind and defending, while Christians distance themselves from the wrong doers. Not sure how Conservative Christians, cutting taxes, waging war, killing 4000 soldiers really plays into this discussion.

[LRM1]

Originally Posted by dmatre

If you read my posts to say how 'bad' conservatives & Christians are, then I wasn't clear enough. I don't think that all conservatives & Christians are bad, but I do think that simply being conservative & Christian doesn't make you good; and that simply being C&C doesn't automatically mean that one is qualified to perform a duty - there are other factors which are far more important than these.

Absolutely, so then why do you seem to always bash on them?

There are Democrats who aren't left wing liberal limo chasers and there are Republicans who aren't Pat Robertson followers. My guess is there are more of the latter than the former.

[LRM1]

Originally Posted by dmatre

If you read my posts to say how 'bad' conservatives & Christians are, then I wasn't clear enough. I don't think that all conservatives & Christians are bad, but I do think that simply being conservative & Christian doesn't make you good; and that simply being C&C doesn't automatically mean that one is qualified to perform a duty - there are other factors which are far more important than these.

And BTW you definately weren't clear. A minute ago you are bashing Republicans for being amoral and hypocritical, when we point out the difference, you go after Christians and Conservatives, now you're not clear.

What's your point?

[hkmb]

Originally Posted by revstriker

You've got to be kidding. Do you really think going into academia is top choice for a lot of people?

Hooray! I've missed the revstriker eye roll!

In the case of every academic I know, yes, it was their first choice. That's why they're doing it.

[hkmb]

Originally Posted by LRM1

Although I wasn't "Baiting you" as you claim leter

No, one call fall for bait that wasn't the result of baiting.

Originally Posted by LRM1

And so it continues, you liberals love to call us names, and stupid, but would hazard a guess that with 3 degrees, I am in fact more educated and possibly more intelligent than you, regardless of the esteem you hold yourself in.

Woohoo! Hooray for polyversities!

[hkmb]

Originally Posted by dmatre

The "do as I say, not as I do" attitude applies to both parties equally. You've forgetten about those pillars of public morality Mark Foley (hitting on his own, underage, congressional pages), Ted Haggard (getting massages from a gay prostitute), and Larry Craig (looking for love in an airport mens room)? Look up the number of members of "The Party of Family Values" who are now on wives 2, 3, or 4. . . and this is "family values"? (maybe more families = more values?)

It's true that the media is primarily liberal in nature - but that's also because journalism is taught in "liberal arts" universities. You won't find many conservative journalists, as you won't find many liberal Baptist preachers.

Is this a problem? Not unless you are looking for conservative journalists or liberal preachers.

This - and your follow-ups - make perfect sense.

[hkmb]

Originally Posted by Act of God

You could change "democrats" to "Muslims" and "republicans" to "Christians" and still be right...just noticin'

Yeah, every time any mad Christian does anything wrong, the entire Christian establishment races to condemn them. I remember that from the abortion clinic attacks, the Noraid support, the child abuse which was never covered up, Catholic support for fascist governments... all of those things. Christians are ace! Hooray for them!

What? Those condemnations didn't happen? Oh, sorry. I must have been thinking of Buddhists or Sikhs or something.

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by hkmb

Hooray! I've missed the revstriker eye roll!

In the case of every academic I know, yes, it was their first choice. That's why they're doing it.

It was "their" first choice. However, they make up a very small percentage of educated individuals. The vast majority do not choose to go into academia. I have nothing against this line of work, but I think most people want to go where the big money is.

[Act of God]

By the way, Al Gore just said the recent ****storm in Mayanmar was due to Manbea....I mean GLOBAL WARMING!!!! (holding a flashlight under his chin)

[Mister Brenton]

Originally Posted by Act of God

By the way, Al Gore just said the recent ****storm in Mayanmar was due to Manbea....I mean GLOBAL WARMING!!!! (holding a flashlight under his chin)

A flashlight, lol!!!

[LRM1]

Originally Posted by hkmb

No, one call fall for bait that wasn't the result of baiting.



Woohoo! Hooray for polyversities!

So why do we always have to go down this road?

I haven't insulted you at all. I simply responded to your statement about everyone you don't agree with being "uneducated" by stating I have a bachelors and two masters degrees - do you have to try to insult me by implying that my degrees are in some sort of "polyveristy" like a votech?

How many degrees do you hold HKMB? I'm just wondering since you like to speak as though you are a member of Princeton's academia.

Degrees don't make a man, but if you are going to call someone "uneducated" and act as though you are superior, it would be interesting to know how educted you really are-without the insults.

[hkmb]

Originally Posted by LRM1

So why do we always have to go down this road?

I haven't insulted you at all. I simply responded to your statement about everyone you don't agree with being "uneducated" by stating I have a bachelors and two masters degrees - do you have to try to insult me by implying that my degrees are in some sort of "polyveristy" like a votech?

How many degrees do you hold HKMB? I'm just wondering since you like to speak as though you are a member of Princeton's academia.

Degrees don't make a man, but if you are going to call someone "uneducated" and act as though you are superior, it would be interesting to know how educted you really are-without the insults.

You're right - degrees don't make the man: they're just something people either choose to do or choose not to do. Perhaps you should be having a chat with Roll-Eyes Rev about the merits of academia.

I just have the one degree, partly because there was a very specific thing that I wanted to learn before working, and partly because it took five years. I made the mistake of starting off at a university that's usually ranked as top or second-top globally, but I left at the end of the first year: they focused on Classical Chinese, when I was more interested in the modern language. There was so little modern content in the course there that, when I transferred to another uni (which barely makes it into the top 100 globally, but has one of the best Chinese courses), I had to start again. Language courses at British unis are usually 4 years, with a year in a country that speaks the relevant language, so by the end of that I'd really had quite enough of studying.

Gosh, that was off topic. But I hope it's calmed you down a bit. Please don't get paranoid about this: jokes just sometimes don't come across well in text.

[hkmb]

Originally Posted by revstriker

Thank you!

Originally Posted by revstriker

It was "their" first choice. However, they make up a very small percentage of educated individuals. The vast majority do not choose to go into academia. I have nothing against this line of work, but I think most people want to go where the big money is.

Hmm... Yes, they're all frogmarched in there.

[LRM1]

Originally Posted by hkmb

You're right - degrees don't make the man: they're just something people either choose to do or choose not to do. Perhaps you should be having a chat with Roll-Eyes Rev about the merits of academia.

I just have the one degree, partly because there was a very specific thing that I wanted to learn before working, and partly because it took five years. I made the mistake of starting off at a university that's usually ranked as top or second-top globally, but I left at the end of the first year: they focused on Classical Chinese, when I was more interested in the modern language. There was so little modern content in the course there that, when I transferred to another uni (which barely makes it into the top 100 globally, but has one of the best Chinese courses), I had to start again. Language courses at British unis are usually 4 years, with a year in a country that speaks the relevant language, so by the end of that I'd really had quite enough of studying.

Gosh, that was off topic. But I hope it's calmed you down a bit. Please don't get paranoid about this: jokes just sometimes don't come across well in text.

Ok, joke, then taken. Try using a perhaps next time.

I'm far from an academic. I'm in "big business". You know the corporations who supposedly screw everyone for profit.

Learning is brain food. Languages only open your mind up to learning more and looking into other cultures. I was blessed myself to have a mother who spoke 5 languages fluently, though I have only been able to master 3 and can communicate in the other two. But Asian languages are not something i've ever been able to get Japanese is hard enough with it's mixed in latin. Chinese? Foget it.
I rather enjoyed school and also stayed in for my bachelors for 5 years. Then the two masters. Was going to be a teacher, but then after all that schoolwork decided that $30,000 a year until I was 40, then possibly $50k a year after that wasn't going to cut it. Not the elbow patch, beat up Volvo type. I also found academics to be the biggest empty suits I had ever seen-all uppity, arrognat, everyone was dumber than they and only they knew what was right for everyone - all from people who could barely scrape the rent every month. Perhaps this is where I developed my distaste for liberals. I've had the pleasure/honor of meeting some very interesting people in my life who were highly intelligent, yet not arrogant, patronizing or condescending and sadly 99% of the time they were not liberal. Not necessarily conservative either, but definately not liberal.

Hence my sensitivity.

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by hkmb

You're right - degrees don't make the man: they're just something people either choose to do or choose not to do. Perhaps you should be having a chat with Roll-Eyes Rev about the merits of academia.

Just to be clear, we're talking about people taking up academia as a career. A teacher/professor. I'm not talking about people who choose to receive a higher education.

[Spartan]

Originally Posted by hkmb

You're right - degrees don't make the man: they're just something people either choose to do or choose not to do. Perhaps you should be having a chat with Roll-Eyes Rev about the merits of academia.

I just have the one degree, partly because there was a very specific thing that I wanted to learn before working, and partly because it took five years. I made the mistake of starting off at a university that's usually ranked as top or second-top globally, but I left at the end of the first year: they focused on Classical Chinese, when I was more interested in the modern language. There was so little modern content in the course there that, when I transferred to another uni (which barely makes it into the top 100 globally, but has one of the best Chinese courses), I had to start again. Language courses at British unis are usually 4 years, with a year in a country that speaks the relevant language, so by the end of that I'd really had quite enough of studying.

Gosh, that was off topic. But I hope it's calmed you down a bit. Please don't get paranoid about this: jokes just sometimes don't come across well in text.

Not too qualified to take me on in scientific/technical debate! LOL! I baited you a couple of times on the global warming malarkey and I have to give you credit, you avoided the trap.

A stack of degrees doesn't mean a thing. I worked for a man who made billions and flew in a CEO's private jet (he runs a 5 billion dollar corporation). Neither of these man had any special academic credentials and yet, they were incredibly successful. Worse still, I felt I was smarter then them and yet, there I was, working for them! LOL!

[Spartan]

Originally Posted by MG

Lefty-loo hypocrisies

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/liv...n_page_id=1773

Anyone who takes at face value what celebrities say is certifiable. Their mirror tells them that they are "elite" because their wallet says so.

[S55inPA]

Originally Posted by Spartan

Anyone who takes at face value what celebrities say is certifiable. Their mirror tells them that they are "elite" because their wallet says so.

And let's not leave out People Magazine! Read one issue....your IQ will drop 10 points!