How do you know the Global Warming Scam is over?

[MG]

When even the French are willing to fight back its got to be over, way over. http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...Gr8&refer=muse

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[Glasgow Gold]

Nice find, but what will Big Al do if the well dries up?

The good news for him is that if he ends up with no income, the war on poverty is still alive to save him!

[MG]

I've got a 10 page thread on another forum that is nothing but articles containing scientific refutation to a) global Warming b) human contribution to climate change and c) leftyloos showing their true hand with this scam calling for Global warming taxes on everything from being born to dieing and everything else you do in between.

Anyone who believes this nonsense at this point is either not paying attention or just has a complete lack of common sense.

[vraa]

Originally Posted by MG

I've got a 10 page thread on another forum that is nothing but articles containing scientific refutation to a) global Warming b) human contribution to climate change and c) leftyloos showing their true hand with this scam calling for Global warming taxes on everything from being born to dieing and everything else you do in between.

Anyone who believes this nonsense at this point is either not paying attention or just has a complete lack of common sense.

Believe in it or not, what's wrong with the basic idea of conservation.

I'm not saying it should be mandated, but other industries shouldn't be subsidized either (big oil).

[MG]

No one has said word one against conservation. No one is a cheaper ******* than me (except when it comes to paying for gas for my v-8 )

I just can't stand self righteous asses preaching what they can't prove whether it is Holy Joes or Greenie weenies. Pick your religion, its all the same. I'll buy what I damn well please and can afford, and no one has the right to force me to do otherwise. Keep the fake regulations and taxes away from me.

[MTI]

Originally Posted by MG

I just can't stand self righteous asses preaching what they can't prove whether it is Holy Joes or Greenie weenies. Pick your religion, its all the same. I'll buy what I damn well please and can afford, and no one has the right to force me to do otherwise. Keep the fake regulations and taxes away from me.

Detractors always expect that a spokesperson for any particular point of view should be pure and exemplary, which is the classic "kill the messenger" tactic. That tactic doesn't make the message wrong, since Al Gore's carbon footprint isn't the issue, just a clever way of avoiding dealing with the larger issues.

As for the freedom to buy whatever you please and can afford . . . yes, there are laws that prevent some of that, there are also social mores that come into play and that point of view still doesn't address whether a "western" or "American" lifestyle is globally sustainable.

[AndrewAZ]

Originally Posted by vraa

Believe in it or not, what's wrong with the basic idea of conservation.

I'm not saying it should be mandated, but other industries shouldn't be subsidized either (big oil).

Nothing is wrong.. I just hate having things shoved down my throat and only having 1 view point taught in schools that is simply wrong. I also hate when environmentalist preach about how we are all going to hell, yet we find they actually contribute the most pollution buying specialty products that claim to reduce pollution but produce more waste in terms of production and materials, examples such as hybrid cars, hydrogen fuel and various others.

For me the global warming religion is like taking an outspoken vegetarian to your local steak house for dinner, its not pleasant.

[Glasgow Gold]

Originally Posted by MTI

there are also social mores that come into play and that point of view still doesn't address whether a "western" or "American" lifestyle is globally sustainable.

http://www.zombietime.com/gore_in_marin/

If this is a legitimate issue and "social mores" are at play, why is it that the Gorian Nation drives the biggest gas guzzlers on the planet?

All you fellow Benz lovers I'm sure will get a kick out the fact that the G55 was the only one pictured that included a price tag in the caption.

[MG]

Originally Posted by MTI

Detractors always expect that a spokesperson for any particular point of view should be pure and exemplary, which is the classic "kill the messenger" tactic. That tactic doesn't make the message wrong, since Al Gore's carbon footprint isn't the issue, just a clever way of avoiding dealing with the larger issues.

As for the freedom to buy whatever you please and can afford . . . yes, there are laws that prevent some of that, there are also social mores that come into play and that point of view still doesn't address whether a "western" or "American" lifestyle is globally sustainable.

Assassinating the messenger as a hypocrite is certainly a fair tactic when it proves that he is simply a huckster hawking the latest patent medicine for no reason other than self aggrandizements and enrichment, especially when he positions himself as a selfless servant of the people and even *gasp* a martyred victim.

As for the sustainability of the Western or American life stlye, people have been predicting the end of it for decades now. When they are proven wrong, they simply roll the dates back another few decades and keep recycling the same old arguments. Survivability depends on flexibility and adaptability, two things that is the antithesis of government. Keep the government out of our daily lives and we'll be just fine.

[MTI]

OIC . . if that's the prevailing theory, GWB's daughters and the rest of the West Wing's sons and daughters should be packing assualt rifles and RPGs in Afghanistan, no? Of course not, because that's not the real issue.

Getting a few hundred or thousand gas guzzlers off the road would be a good start, but what if those folks driving them also re-examined their capitalism and used it to reshape the marketplace. For instance, what would be the effect of 50% of those business owners being inspired to switch to "green" technology or examining the total lifecycle of their product's effect on the environment.

[MG]

1) I would not support that, but then I am a sexist ******* who thinks women have no business toting rifles in a combat zone and I am also a rabid defender of the Volunteer combat force theory, if they don't have a mind to volunteer, all they'd do is get good soldiers killed if forced into the AO.

but having said that, I fail to see how you connect their lack of military service to Gore's profiteering at the expense of the weak minded zealots that follow him slavishly.

2) Lots of companies have taken up the green cause because it is more profitable and a hell of a marketing tool. For instance, I only buy recycled printer paper for my home office. Not because its cheaper, which it is, but because I think its a good idea. Lots of people do the same for lots of other products.

[Glasgow Gold]

Originally Posted by MTI

but what if those folks driving them also re-examined their capitalism

Well, I think they're listening! After putting on their fancy clothes and driving the luxury SUV to hear the Goracle's wisdom, they flashed a Che bag.

Could be some serious communists under all that gas guzzling wealth!

Seriously, this movement has no scientific validity but plenty of loud, hypocritical yelling. It exists mainly to try to stuff pseudo-science down our throats with new taxes and regulations, to make each other feel vital and to provide hours of entertainment to fans of Zombie's work.

[session]

Originally Posted by Glasgow Gold

Well, I think they're listening! After putting on their fancy clothes and driving the luxury SUV to hear the Goracle's wisdom, they flashed a Che bag.

Could be some serious communists under all that gas guzzling wealth!

Seriously, this movement has no scientific validity but plenty of loud, hypocritical yelling. It exists mainly to try to stuff pseudo-science down our throats with new taxes and regulations, to make each other feel vital and to provide hours of entertainment to fans of Zombie's work.

They had to buy their Che bag from a privately-owned store. Nothing makes me happier.

[Act of God]

Originally Posted by MG

Assassinating the messenger as a hypocrite is certainly a fair tactic when it proves that he is simply a huckster hawking the latest patent medicine for no reason other than self aggrandizements and enrichment, especially when he positions himself as a selfless servant of the people and even *gasp* a martyred victim.

As for the sustainability of the Western or American life stlye, people have been predicting the end of it for decades now. When they are proven wrong, they simply roll the dates back another few decades and keep recycling the same old arguments. Survivability depends on flexibility and adaptability, two things that is the antithesis of government. Keep the government out of our daily lives and we'll be just fine.

I like the way you think. do you have a link to that 10 page thread you mentioned earlier? I'd love to read it.

[vraa]

Originally Posted by MG

No one has said word one against conservation. No one is a cheaper ******* than me (except when it comes to paying for gas for my v-8 )

I just can't stand self righteous asses preaching what they can't prove whether it is Holy Joes or Greenie weenies. Pick your religion, its all the same. I'll buy what I damn well please and can afford, and no one has the right to force me to do otherwise. Keep the fake regulations and taxes away from me.

LOL Yes you are right
I didn't mean to address you individually, just ranting.

There are a few, okay maybe a lot, especially in the area I live who think that just because it is available means it must be consumed / used.

Too much of the culture today emphasizes carpe diem, but that's only a good idea to follow AFTER you're a rich person

[Glasgow Gold]

Originally Posted by session

They had to buy their Che bag from a privately-owned store. Nothing makes me happier.

Yeah, Zombie is expert as exposing this BS for the hypocrisy it is. Being in the Bay Area, I'm sure you too recognize all of his "hangouts." Truly hilarious.

[Spartan]

Every time you talk to these enviro nut cases they ALWAYS, WITHOUT FAIL have the same answer.....

.......2000 scientist agree.........the United Nations said....

It's like talking to zombies. Anything that involves the UN and politics is a complete joke, thousand of scientist believe in creation.

Ten years from now, everybody is going to claim that they "knew" it wasn't true. Just like 30 years ago when a lot of the same scientist claimed that we are going to have an ice age by the year 2000. Twenty years ago, all the forest are going to disappear in 20 years because of acid rain. Now the end of the world is just around the corner.

[Spartan]

Originally Posted by MG

Anyone who believes this nonsense at this point is either not paying attention or just has a complete lack of common sense.

What does common sense have to do when something has become a religion?

[MG]

People run away from cults all the time.

[Glasgow Gold]

Originally Posted by MG

People run away from cults all the time.

True, but the modern day sponsors of cults are much more sophisticated in their methods.

The "modern cult" doesn't necessarily identify itself as religious, have a physical facility, use religious symbols or wear strange clothes. These movements are often couched as a political view or a business opportunity.

That doesn't make them any less money hungry (e.g., the Goracle, Herbalife), personality-driven (e.g., Uncle Ron), or radical (e.g., ISM).

But, it can make these groups even harder to escape. They don't necessarily show up at rickross.com. Friends and family don't get alarmed until the victim has either spent their life savings helping a candidate get 1% of the vote in a primary or moved to Gaza to dive in front of bulldozers.

[vraa]

[Glasgow Gold]

You're posting lots of neato pictures from the Internet today Vraa, without any captions or color.

Is that one supposed to be what the Iranian nuclear reactor will look like?

[DCarrera]

How can you even start to refute Global Warming. The evidence is SO clear! It was just 35 years ago we were heading into the ice age. Now that we have survived the 1980's ice age, the temperatures are increasing at a dizzying pace! It's getting so hot right now we're having record snows and record low temperatures. Soon.. we'll be in another ice age.

Wait.. if it's getting colder to get hotter.... wait.. uh.. hm..

[S55inPA]

what amazes me is this........so it may be temporarily getting a little warmer......it's when it gets colder that everyone should be worried

[lovethisworld]

is it real?