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[C32AMG/02]

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[BrianS]

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10...y5440647.shtml

[C32AMG/02]

Originally Posted by BrianS

http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2009/10...y5440647.shtml

Will not last long as a law, once SC rules States must obey federal law, it will be over
Turned.

[hellcat]

Anybody collect older guns? I know we've got some cool collections of AK's and AR variants here. How about some WWII era rifles?

[C32AMG/02]

I have two M1 Carbines and 1 M1 Garand, look at this M1 1000 Yard shot.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34RqMoyMZmI&feature=playe

[RedMongoosE]

Originally Posted by hellcat

Anybody collect older guns? I know we've got some cool collections of AK's and AR variants here. How about some WWII era rifles?

I have a Curio and Relic licence and have been collecting for several years, at the moment I have 3 Mosin Nagants, a Yugoslavian SKS, and a 1940's Remington shotgun (never been shot ). My oldest is a Hexagon reciever 1938 Mosin nagant 91/30 that was recovered from a russian bunker and has never been shot or even issued!

Rm

[BrianS]

Originally Posted by RedMongoosE

I have a Curio and Relic licence and have been collecting for several years, at the moment I have 3 Mosin Nagants, a Yugoslavian SKS, and a 1940's Remington shotgun (never been shot ). My oldest is a Hexagon reciever 1938 Mosin nagant 91/30 that was recovered from a russian bunker and has never been shot or even issued!

Rm

Can you not buy older guns without a C&R license? Or does that just make the process easier?

[Yacht Master]

Originally Posted by RedMongoosE

I have a Curio and Relic licence and have been collecting for several years, at the moment I have 3 Mosin Nagants, a Yugoslavian SKS, and a 1940's Remington shotgun (never been shot ). My oldest is a Hexagon reciever 1938 Mosin nagant 91/30 that was recovered from a russian bunker and has never been shot or even issued!

Rm

I have the SKS infection too, Yugo's M59/66 It is a great carbine, shoots a 4" group @ 100yds on Mil 7.62X39 surplus ammo, big honking bayonet on it and if that is not enough, it has a built in grenade launcher. For a guy just starting out it is a great first gun at really reasonable prices ($150-$550).
A collectible will cost more, there are many aftermarket parts to BUBBA the SKS.


And here we have a nice BUBBA


Here is a good SKS board,
http://www.sksboards.com/smf/index.php

[hellcat]

Originally Posted by RedMongoosE

I have a Curio and Relic licence and have been collecting for several years, at the moment I have 3 Mosin Nagants, a Yugoslavian SKS, and a 1940's Remington shotgun (never been shot ). My oldest is a Hexagon reciever 1938 Mosin nagant 91/30 that was recovered from a russian bunker and has never been shot or even issued!

Rm

I've been thinking about picking up a Mosin, that's what sparked my question. The local gun store also had a cool Nazi stamped, .32cal officer's pistol but didn't feel like making a purchase today. There's something to be said for a gun with a little history to it.

[C32AMG/02]

Add a 1940 Mosin Nagnts and a Russian SKS too my list.



Curio and Relic license http://www.fo.com/firearms/sgn-cr.htm

[RedMongoosE]

Originally Posted by BrianS

Can you not buy older guns without a C&R license? Or does that just make the process easier?

With a CR you can get guns shipped to you from around the US, and you can do out of state pickups and you get mad discounts on most websites (brownells midway)


Rm

[RedMongoosE]

Originally Posted by hellcat

I've been thinking about picking up a Mosin, that's what sparked my question. The local gun store also had a cool Nazi stamped, .32cal officer's pistol but didn't feel like making a purchase today. There's something to be said for a gun with a little history to it.

Mosins are great! Ive turned so many people on to them. they are so damn accurate and quite affordable to shoot. if you get the shorter ones (M44 M38) be in for a BIG suprise when you pull that trigger!! ammo is not hard to find, and its realy a blast to shoot......... and you can pickup a shooter for less than 100

[hellcat]

Yeah I found them listed for like $90 online somewhere.

[electromethod]

H&K P7 european model. New & never fired. Price is $1400 which seems mighty steep. Some input would be appreciated regarding this gun.

[kindafast]

I am not accurate when it comes to shooting a Mosin, It was embarassing to know people are watching me miss with it from 30 yards. Going to give it a good clean this weekend, use a laser for scope adjustment and hopefully get better results next time.

[Cylinder Head]

Originally Posted by electromethod

H&K P7 european model. New & never fired. Price is $1400 which seems mighty steep. Some input would be appreciated regarding this gun.

Far too expensive. You should be paying that or less for an NIB P7M8, not a heeler. Heelers should go for ~$1k NIB.

Fantastic gun regardless, the trigger is amazing and I can walk around my house with my P7M8 tucked in my sweatshirt pocket.

[RedMongoosE]

P7M8 got for 1-2.5K in CA

so that price is spot on for CA pricing.


Rm

[electromethod]

Originally Posted by Cylinder Head

Far too expensive. You should be paying that or less for an NIB P7M8, not a heeler. Heelers should go for ~$1k NIB.

Fantastic gun regardless, the trigger is amazing and I can walk around my house with my P7M8 tucked in my sweatshirt pocket.

That's why I figured on asking you guys. I figured it was probably steep price, but I was lost as to what the gun is actually worth. The shop has always matched fair market pricing for me, so now I know what to offer him.

NOW, the big question. Should I get the P30 or the P7? I have fired the P30 and loved it, but a buddy of mine who works for the S.O. ranted and raved about how accurate the P7 is when we were looking at it, and how it's a perfect gun for carrying. I already have my carry gun, so that doesn't really factor in. I just want to use it at the range like we do with the rest of our guns.

[Cylinder Head]

Originally Posted by electromethod

That's why I figured on asking you guys. I figured it was probably steep price, but I was lost as to what the gun is actually worth. The shop has always matched fair market pricing for me, so now I know what to offer him.

NOW, the big question. Should I get the P30 or the P7? I have fired the P30 and loved it, but a buddy of mine who works for the S.O. ranted and raved about how accurate the P7 is when we were looking at it, and how it's a perfect gun for carrying. I already have my carry gun, so that doesn't really factor in. I just want to use it at the range like we do with the rest of our guns.

I have both.

You will get a MILLION different responses to this question. It depends entirely on your priorities. Here's my take on it:

The P7 is a fantastic platform with an amazing trigger but it will not last through a zombie apocalypse. The Gas blowback system needs to be very well maintained and cleaned after every firing (not kidding). It's also extremely complex, do not plan on detail stripping it without hours of frustration and staring at an armorer's manual trying to 3-hand the parts back into place. The only other issue is that it only carries 8+1 rounds.

It's very compact yet has a full length barrel and a maximized sight radius. This combined with the perfect SA trigger allowed a friend of mine, complete rookie shooter, to bullseye an orange at 40 yards in 3 shots. Whatever you carry, this would replace it.

Oh and did I mention that recoil is nearly nonexistent? You can one-hand this weapon better than most people can 2-hand their 1911's. It's touted as the best "gunfighter's gun" in existence due to the ability to shoot accurately from cover with only one hand. That said, I absolutely suck with mine and still need a lot of practice with it. I'm not used to an SA trigger, and it's different from the others I've used.

The P30 is a completely different monster. Hephaestus himself molded it for your hand and the 15 round mags are generous. Ergonomics are PERFECT. Not good, PERFECT. Recoil is extremely low and it is an absolutely beautiful weapon to behold. The standard trigger is lacking compared to the P7, mine required a trigger job before I'd even take it to the range. It also needs to be broken in with AT LEAST hot 124 grain ammo or you're going to be tattooing yourself with the brass that doesn't get stuck in the breach. The controls are very user friendly and the gun is far more accurate than I am.

Zimbabwe drills are an absolute snap with practice and the gun points exremely well. The picatinny rail allows you to mount a plethora of goodies (I have an insight M6 on mine) and you can get some good night sights for it. For now the decocker-only version is available as well as an LEM, but the P30S is close to release and will come with a standard safety. The long and ponderous DA pull was explained as a "substitute" for including a safety on the original version of the P30/L.

Hope that helps.

[MG]

I think I want an M14. No special reason, just never fired one. CH, you know anyone with a base model M14 for sale?

[Cylinder Head]

Originally Posted by MG

I think I want an M14. No special reason, just never fired one. CH, you know anyone with a base model M14 for sale?

Haven't you fired my cannon before? Given, it's nowhere near standard, and the more I play with it, the more I realize I need to either go to the gym 5 times a week or bring it back to stock.

Check NJGunforums.com, someone had one for sale not too long ago. The Bullet Hole has them all the time, in Scout trim. Saw one last time I was there. Call them.

[MG]

Originally Posted by Cylinder Head

Haven't you fired my cannon before? Given, it's nowhere near standard, and the more I play with it, the more I realize I need to either go to the gym 5 times a week or bring it back to stock.

Check NJGunforums.com, someone had one for sale not too long ago. The Bullet Hole has them all the time, in Scout trim. Saw one last time I was there. Call them.

I fired one of your SOG toys, but that wasn't based on the M14. My two older sons are decent shots and my oldest is knocking down man size silhouettes at 250m with an iron sight AR15. He should be able to handle an M14 prone and the range we go to a couple times a year offers targets out to 500. AR15 sucks at that distance, even with a scope, looking to get something basic that is accurate out to that range.

[Cylinder Head]

Originally Posted by MG

I fired one of your SOG toys, but that wasn't based on the M14. My two older sons are decent shots and my oldest is knocking down man size silhouettes at 250m with an iron sight AR15. He should be able to handle an M14 prone and the range we go to a couple times a year offers targets out to 500. AR15 sucks at that distance, even with a scope, looking to get something basic that is accurate out to that range.

Well my Troy started out as an M1A, which is the civvy M14. I can't say it's really based on anything anymore but the action itself is all M14.

If you get a Springfield Scout you should be able to tag man-sized silhouettes at 500m with iron sights and surplus ammo. I have a great source for cheap USGI 15 round mags and another that regularly gets cheap 7.62/51.

Edit: Here's a Standard, 22" barrel, NIB for you:
http://www.njgunforums.com/forums/vi...hp?f=11&t=3033

[Martinsvi]

Originally Posted by MG

I fired one of your SOG toys, but that wasn't based on the M14. My two older sons are decent shots and my oldest is knocking down man size silhouettes at 250m with an iron sight AR15. He should be able to handle an M14 prone and the range we go to a couple times a year offers targets out to 500. AR15 sucks at that distance, even with a scope, looking to get something basic that is accurate out to that range.

Its the bullet that makes 500+ yd shots hard with an AR15 not the gun itself. To shoot reliably at theat distance you need to shoot heavy bullets,68-69gr or 75-77gr.. The 308 roundis better at that distance because fo the bullet profile and weight.
For pure ballistics and distance shooting most of us shoot 6.5mm because they have a better selection of really good bullets that are aerodynamically great, have really high ballistic coeffecients and data table to make it happen.
I just found this thread and really enjoy shooting. I shoot competitively with pistol and rifle almost every weekend.( You want to talk about a hole to throw money at. I could have purchased a c63 cash for what I have spent shooting in the last 3 years)
I have several ar's 2 or 3 bolt guns a couple of shotguns and way to many pistols. I will include a pic.

[Cylinder Head]

Originally Posted by Martinsvi

Its the bullet that makes 500+ yd shots hard with an AR15 not the gun itself. To shoot reliably at theat distance you need to shoot heavy bullets,68-69gr or 75-77gr.. The 308 roundis better at that distance because fo the bullet profile and weight.
For pure ballistics and distance shooting most of us shoot 6.5mm because they have a better selection of really good bullets that are aerodynamically great, have really high ballistic coeffecients and data table to make it happen.
I just found this thread and really enjoy shooting. I shoot competitively with pistol and rifle almost every weekend.( You want to talk about a hole to throw money at. I could have purchased a c63 cash for what I have spent shooting in the last 3 years)
I have several ar's 2 or 3 bolt guns a couple of shotguns and way to many pistols. I will include a pic.

HOLY SCHNIKES that's a lot of race guns. Why so many?