I swear this is my last Ron Paul thread

[vraa]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Hn6a...layer_embedded This one is where he was interviewed on Larry King as a response to Micheal Moore, it's mind blowing where is this guy wrong? hkmb?

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[NdnMbLova]

Holy crap. He's so right.

[NdnMbLova]

At least the beginning.

[vraa]

Originally Posted by NdnMbLova

At least the beginning.

Yeah I disagree with the war part

[S55inPA]

i don't agree with everything he said but he sure makes
a lot more sense that president dummy and his
cronies are saying and doing.

[RedG]

At the risk of being flamed, and you guys think he is insane, he would be the best solution to the stupidity of government.

[JustPete]

I'd take Ron Paul over 99% of the crooks in Congress

[mleskovar]

He's right on about capitalism and health care but misses on the wars.

[Glasgow Gold]

Congrats Ron, you make more sense than Michael Moore!

I didn't know we suddenly had so many Obama fans on the forum. Because Paul hurts the GOP nominee more than he helps him/her, Paul will basically be doing Obama a favor in 2012. Unfortunate that this is still so hard for folks to comprehend.

[mleskovar]

Originally Posted by Glasgow Gold

...Paul will basically be doing Obama a favor in 2012. Unfortunate that this is still so hard for folks to comprehend.

+1 The current splintering of the Republicans will be their undoing until they figure it out.

[vraa]

Originally Posted by Glasgow Gold

Congrats Ron, you make more sense than Michael Moore!

I didn't know we suddenly had so many Obama fans on the forum. Because Paul hurts the GOP nominee more than he helps him/her, Paul will basically be doing Obama a favor in 2012. Unfortunate that this is still so hard for folks to comprehend.

Originally Posted by mleskovar

+1 The current splintering of the Republicans will be their undoing until they figure it out.

GOP deserves it for being full of numbnuts

As a whole the democrats seem less insane than the republicans.
Democrats nominated a young black guy who perfectly fit the mold "people" could get used to and instead of responding strategically the Republicans ended up nominating McCain??? Don't get me wrong there is a lot of weird things in the Democrat party too, when you look at it from a cynical outsiders perspective it seems as if the system is designed to just alternate between two parties both with the intention of expanding gov't.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1386011/
I saw that yesterday it's hilarious, why do we Americans settle for mediocrity?

[RedG]

Originally Posted by Glasgow Gold

Congrats Ron, you make more sense than Michael Moore!

I didn't know we suddenly had so many Obama fans on the forum. Because Paul hurts the GOP nominee more than he helps him/her, Paul will basically be doing Obama a favor in 2012. Unfortunate that this is still so hard for folks to comprehend.

That is because he doesn't pander to the masses, democrats or republicans. And when you speak the truth of government stupidity people on the left and right have a conniption fit.

[Glasgow Gold]

Originally Posted by vraa

GOP deserves it for being full of numbnuts

I realize that you're typically half goofing around, but just understand that this is seriously the attitude Crazy Uncle Ron has taken in his completely ineffective decades in Congress.

This tool is as entrenched as any bureaucrat, doesn't really do anything and, most disturbingly, doesn't care - "the government deserves it." As long as his cadre of disenchanted people (not to mention the racists and the Troofers who are so obsessed with him) are listening to him, buying his stupid books, etc., Paul is satisfied.

He would be perfectly content to let the country go down the drain on principle.

Frankly, that's a hell of a lot worse than anything Obama could do.

[RedG]

Originally Posted by Glasgow Gold

I realize that you're typically half goofing around, but just understand that this is seriously the attitude Crazy Uncle Ron has taken in his completely ineffective decades in Congress.

This tool is as entrenched as any bureaucrat, doesn't really do anything and, most disturbingly, doesn't care - "the government deserves it." As long as his cadre of disenchanted people (not to mention the racists and the Troofers who are so obsessed with him) are listening to him, buying his stupid books, etc., Paul is satisfied.

He would be perfectly content to let the country go down the drain on principle.

Frankly, that's a hell of a lot worse than anything Obama could do.

He seems to me one of very few in government who don't seek for its uninhibited expansion, and you call him crazy? I thought you were a conservative...oh well.

[Glasgow Gold]

Originally Posted by RedG

He seems to me one of very few in government who don't seek for its uninhibited expansion, and you call him crazy? I thought you were a conservative...oh well.

Ron Paul on 9/11 says it all: "I suggest we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it."

Don't forget to listen to the part where Rudy owns him. Still one of the most hilarious call outs in the entire 2008 election.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQrwKr_b4Lg

More importantly, you're still missing how "conservatives" who waste energy on fringe candidates who will never win anything steal votes and resources away from the GOP. Obama will appreciate you tremendously for that in 2012. Does that really make you feel conservative?

[RedG]

Originally Posted by Glasgow Gold

Ron Paul on 9/11 says it all: "I suggest we listen to the people who attacked us and the reason they did it."

Don't forget to listen to the part where Rudy owns him. Still one of the most hilarious call outs in the entire 2008 election.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cQrwKr_b4Lg

More importantly, you're still missing how "conservatives" who waste energy on fringe candidates who will never win anything steal votes and resources away from the GOP. Obama will appreciate you tremendously for that in 2012. Does that really make you feel conservative?

Rudy doesn't own him by any stretch. My vote going to a more conservative minded person makes me feel greatly conservative. Its not my fault most of the voting public is completely uninformed, ill-willed, or just plain stupid now it is?

You gloss over Ron Paul's point of interventionism. Would we like it if the Chinese or Russians built military bases in the United States? Wouldn't we harbor resentment towards that particular country? If you don't think so, you are just as uninformed as the people who voted for Obama. Does lambasting and minimizing the best person for real change make you feel conservative?

[markopolo]

Ron Paul was, is and will be a bad news for Republicans. The guy is a "village" jester/prankster!
Vraa, let me put it in a straight forward way...
Him being anything else than a Republican vote stealer, (like a next POTUS)......"It ain't gonna happen."

So why waste your precious keystrokes?

[RedG]

For as many acclaimed republicans there are on MBworld, none sure seem to like anything Ron Paul does. Why I truly wonder, his ideas are truly conservative.

[markopolo]

Originally Posted by RedG

For as many acclaimed republicans there are on MBworld, none sure seem to like anything Ron Paul does. Why I truly wonder, his ideas are truly conservative.

I'm sorry, I'm just being realistic, not hopelessly optimistic.
Any extreme (generally) is not good. The Country/voters will never go to any extreme.
The only reason the community organizer won is the liberal press and Oprah

[RedG]

Originally Posted by markopolo

I'm sorry, I'm just being realistic, not hopelessly optimistic.
Any extreme (generally) is not good. The Country/voters will never go to any extreme.
The only reason the community organizer won is the liberal press and Oprah

Granted, but Ron Paul consistently brings the most pragmatic solutions to our nations ills. Aside from the occasional slip of extremism with regard to our military presence abroad, what extreme's has he ever lauded to the public? Or brought before Congress?

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by RedG

Rudy doesn't own him by any stretch.

Sure he does. The only way someone cannot see this is if they feel as Paul does, that 9/11 was our fault.

Originally Posted by RedG

Granted, but Ron Paul consistently brings the most pragmatic solutions to our nations ills. Aside from the occasional slip of extremism with regard to our military presence abroad, what extreme's has he ever lauded to the public? Or brought before Congress?

The better question is what solution has he been able to champion through Congress? Anybody can go on a talk show with good ideas, but it takes a leader to take those good ideas, and turn them into law.

What amazed me about the Ron Paul followers is that they all believed he could do as President, what he has failed miserably to do as a Congressman.

I'd take Obama over Ron Paul.

[RedG]

Originally Posted by revstriker

Sure he does. The only way someone cannot see this is if they feel as Paul does, that 9/11 was our fault.

Your statement is misleading, and meanders the discussion. I don't believe 9/11 was our fault, nor would I say Ron Paul directly believes elements of our government were involved. It isn't out of the realm of reason to surmise that since our Military is so involved in other countries, and has been for so long, that many have become disenfranchised and distasteful of our foreign policies.

You couldn't think that if we'd not be so involved in those countries (specifically Saudi Arabia), that Osama wouldn't have wanted to destroy us for so long?

The better question is what solution has he been able to champion through Congress? Anybody can go on a talk show with good ideas, but it takes a leader to take those good ideas, and turn them into law.

What amazed me about the Ron Paul followers is that they all believed he could do as President, what he has failed miserably to do as a Congressman.

Truth hurts to many, and because of that many are too weak to struggle through their pains of understand and embracing the truth. It isn't a lack of leadership on Ron Paul's part, but a mental ineptitude of the members of the House and Congress.

When one constantly champions responsibility of self over entitlements or money-for-nothing do-nothings it fails as well on deaf ears. Those on MBworld that seek for nothing more but truth and transparency of government chastise the one of very few realists and its unfortunate.

You want and strive for change? Stop believing the status quo, stop thinking that basic solutions and appeasement are any sort of bringer of the freedoms that were so given from our Constitution and from our Founding Fathers.

I'd take Obama over Ron Paul.

A truly scary statement to even contemplate, let alone articulate. Shame on you.

[Glasgow Gold]

Originally Posted by RedG

Its not my fault most of the voting public is completely uninformed, ill-willed, or just plain stupid now it is?

The unfortunate irony is that this is the same exact excuse The Crazy Uncle uses for his decades of irrelevance in Congress. "I just vote 'no' on everything and never introduce a bill that actually passes because everyone else doesn't get it."

And, it's on this "principled" approach that the conservative vote gets diluted, split up into little pieces so that folks can sit back on their sofas and say, "The voting public is completely uninformed."

Obama Nation thanks you for not recognizing that pragmatism, not principle, wins U.S. elections in the 21st century.

[Nola]

I think this guy is great. Spot on on most things. But I think he thinks faster than he speaks so I think he just overwhelms people. I know lots of really smart people like that.

[M1M2M3]

he speaks as though everyone has the same understanding of world events, policy, and capitalism as he does. Most people don't even know the bill of rights.