Maine Voters Shoot Down Gay Marriage Law

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by LRM1 AHA!! I've been telling him that for months. But it isn't about that is it. It's not about actually having the rights/privleges/benefits, whatever. It's about us having to agree with them, like them and accept them whether we like it or not. It's a small part in the bigger stupidity of liberalism. Abortion - Even if you think it should be legal, but disagree with a free for all birth control method abortion, you are wrong, ignorant and backwards. A woman should be able to use abortion any way she sees fit. Gay Marriage - Even if you are fine with civil unions that grant ALL of the legal benefits of "marriage", that's not enough, you're ignorant and stupid. You must agree that it is perfectly natural, you must cede that there is nothing different about two men being married and YOU MUST force your evil and oppressive, backwards Christian/Muslim/Jewish sanctuary to allow gay "marriage" - other wise you are an ignorant redneck. Health Reform - Even if you agree that there needs to be reform, there must be changes and insurance companies should not drop people or deny coverage, you are a MURDERER unless you agree that MILLIONS of people are dying because of the GREED of insurance companies and EVERYONE MUST have free health insurance regardless of cost or consequences!!!! The right talks about "Death Panels" to scare old people, but we, the liberals know that PEOPLE DIE because they can't get insurance!! You ever wonder why we treat liberals like the neighborhood retarded kid?

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[Glasgow Gold]

Originally Posted by K-A

Gays are working toward educating the masses, especially those on the ignorant side...

Oh dear. I'm really starting to wonder whether you are capable of understanding this, but I'll try yet again to explain how self-defeating this antagonistic attitude is.

The gay community has obviously determined that it cares about acceptance from straight America, hence the numerous efforts to get gay marriage passed. Given the history of the movement and views toward it, I would say those votes are surprisingly close. Like with any other effort to sway public opinion, it's about marketing.

There are just a few basic things that the gay community needs to do to get there.

1. Keep coming out of the closet and letting people know that there are countless decent gay people out there. I agree with what GBlansten observed. Easier to get on the bandwagon if you personally know good people and like them.

2. Cancel the Folsom Street Fair (see it at www.zombietime.com if you dare) and nonsense like it. Trying to win Mom and Pop over is made very difficult when they can point to photos on the Web and say, "I told you there would be gay sex in the streets if we voted for that."

3. STOP painting conservatives, the religious and anyone who just isn't there yet as ignorant, homophobic, hateful, etc. Many of these people are just on the fence. In some states, the gay community is literally a few thousand votes and a few years away from getting what it wants. Bring people in - don't blow it by chasing them away. If handled with respect, they may actually vote for the cause in five years. Don't be afraid of Republicans or of getting involved in the GOP. There is a Goldwater-ish individual liberties angle to gay rights that some Republicans will be able to appreciate.

[S55inPA]

Originally Posted by LRM1

AHA!!

I've been telling him that for months. But it isn't about that is it.

It's not about actually having the rights/privleges/benefits, whatever. It's about us having to agree with them, like them and accept them whether we like it or not.

It's a small part in the bigger stupidity of liberalism.

Abortion - Even if you think it should be legal, but disagree with a free for all birth control method abortion, you are wrong, ignorant and backwards. A woman should be able to use abortion any way she sees fit.

Gay Marriage - Even if you are fine with civil unions that grant ALL of the legal benefits of "marriage", that's not enough, you're ignorant and stupid. You must agree that it is perfectly natural, you must cede that there is nothing different about two men being married and YOU MUST force your evil and oppressive, backwards Christian/Muslim/Jewish sanctuary to allow gay "marriage" - other wise you are an ignorant redneck.

Health Reform - Even if you agree that there needs to be reform, there must be changes and insurance companies should not drop people or deny coverage, you are a MURDERER unless you agree that MILLIONS of people are dying because of the GREED of insurance companies and EVERYONE MUST have free health insurance regardless of cost or consequences!!!! The right talks about "Death Panels" to scare old people, but we, the liberals know that PEOPLE DIE because they can't get insurance!!

You ever wonder why we treat liberals like the neighborhood retarded kid?

in keeping with this weeks world series.....that was a grand slam of a post

[K-A]

Originally Posted by MG

lol, I love watching KA get himself all worked up over this stupidity.

Dude, no one is handing you any less of a bucket of privledges. You are free to marry any woman who will have you. You choose to bang men instead.

Good for you. Don't make it our problem.

The fact that you think it's being made your "problem" says it all, and that's why it is believed "there is much work to be done". If anything, you "choosing" (hilarious, the "choose" ignorance, which yes, is ignorance, to believe it is a choice) to bang women is far more a tangible "problem" to Gay people, then what you're alluding is being done to you.

FYI, I'm not Gay, not like it offends me for someone to believe that I am, or matters, but I just get a chuckle when you refer to me as Gay, knowing the odds are quite strong that my Girlfriend is 10+X hotter (and younger) than whatever poor, aged soul that's stuck with you.

Originally Posted by panzr15

Based on this statement, you are saying that you would be happy with a civil union that accords all the same rights and benefits of a marriage between a man and a woman, even if it is not called "marriage"? If that is the case, then why does the gay rights movement have such a tunnel visioned goal legalizing gay "marriage", when it would be so much simpler and more successful to campaign instead for a civil union? I myself am against gay marriage, but would fully support such a union.

I believe Gays should get "Marriage" as long as non-Religious Hetero couples are allowed to get Married. In a perfect world, I'd want only Religious believers to have "Marriage", and the rest of us, something else. Gays getting "Marriage" for me is in one part based on principle, and due to the fact that I think it will be a positive step toward the acceptance of Gays, as equals, and a strong step toward educating those who are ignorant/Homophibic toward Gays, as well as cut down on hostility and potential violent behavior toward them, etc.

In reality, if Gays can get a name other than "Civil Union", that has the exact same benefits, etc. as Marriage, I'd be for it.

Originally Posted by Glasgow Gold

Oh dear. I'm really starting to wonder whether you are capable of understanding this, but I'll try yet again to explain how self-defeating this antagonistic attitude is.

The gay community has obviously determined that it cares about acceptance from straight America, hence the numerous efforts to get gay marriage passed. Given the history of the movement and views toward it, I would say those votes are surprisingly close. Like with any other effort to sway public opinion, it's about marketing.

There are just a few basic things that the gay community needs to do to get there.

1. Keep coming out of the closet and letting people know that there are countless decent gay people out there. I agree with what GBlansten observed. Easier to get on the bandwagon if you personally know good people and like them.

2. Cancel the Folsom Street Fair (see it at www.zombietime.com if you dare) and nonsense like it. Trying to win Mom and Pop over is made very difficult when they can point to photos on the Web and say, "I told you there would be gay sex in the streets if we voted for that."

3. STOP painting conservatives, the religious and anyone who just isn't there yet as ignorant, homophobic, hateful, etc. Many of these people are just on the fence. In some states, the gay community is literally a few thousand votes and a few years away from getting what it wants. Bring people in - don't blow it by chasing them away. If handled with respect, they may actually vote for the cause in five years. Don't be afraid of Republicans or of getting involved in the GOP. There is a Goldwater-ish individual liberties angle to gay rights that some Republicans will be able to appreciate.

I understand that and agree.

However, thing you have to understand is, it's hard to remain regal, when you're getting slapped in the face repeatedly.

I have tons of Gay friends, and the incredible strength and poise that many of them convey during each "slap in the face" is astonishing. I myself and a product of the person I'm arguing/debating against. If someone is respectful and intelligent, understanding, etc. I will reciprocate that, if someone is throwing douche-bag/bigot/disrespectful behavior, I'll throw that back as well.

Problem is, most people here are on one side, so they see what I'm doing as un-just, yet are oblivious as to why the things they say, would piss off, and justify a certain type of response/attitude.

I personally get tired of seeing and hearing so many Religious people act and say what they do toward Gays, I don't have the energy to always intelligently plan out how to combat it, without just resorting to "attack" such an easy target itself.

About the Conservative painting thing, you're also right, but so many Conservatives do it toward Liberals, and yes, Gays, it takes a big big person to be able to take that in stride, and battle it respectfully.

[MG]

Originally Posted by K-A

The fact that you think it's being made your "problem" says it all, and that's why it is believed "there is much work to be done". If anything, you "choosing" (hilarious, the "choose" ignorance, which yes, is ignorance, to believe it is a choice) to bang women is far more a tangible "problem" to Gay people, then what you're alluding is being done to you.

People choose to override preferences all the time. Choosing to bang is not the same as preferring to bang. Words, they have meaning. Don't mistake your lack of comprehension as an implication of another person's ignorance.

FYI, I'm not Gay,

lmao. Man, you exude Gay like Antonio Banderas exudes Cheese. You are so Gay you make Rue Paul jealous. Your "I'm not Gay" protests are more transparent than Barney Frank's colon. Save it. You're gay, and we know it, so just stop with the protests.

not like it offends me for someone to believe that I am,

my Girlfriend is 10+X hotter (and younger) than whatever poor, aged soul that's stuck with you.

right. You're not offended, but then devolve into childishly, and blindly, insulting my wife. Gotcha. Sparky is not gay and not offended.

In reality, if Gays can get a name other than "Civil Union", that has the exact same benefits, etc. as Marriage, I'd be for it.

lol, what the hell is wrong with "Civil Union"? its the disunions that tend to be uncivil.

[Chucky300]

Originally Posted by MG

lmao. Man, you exude Gay like Antonio Banderas exudes Cheese. You are so Gay you make Rue Paul jealous. Your "I'm not Gay" protests are more transparent than Barney Frank's colon. Save it. You're gay, and we know it, so just stop with the protests.

Isn't that where Obama sticks his executive branch on weekends?

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by K-A

I understand that and agree.

However, thing you have to understand is, it's hard to remain regal, when you're getting slapped in the face repeatedly.

You mean the way we are always being "slapped in the face" with "gay pride" events? You mean the way Miss California was slapped in the face for respectfully disagreeing with a political point? You mean the way that you constantly and continually slap people in the face for disagreeing with you or believing in a higher power?

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by MG

lmao. Man, you exude Gay like Antonio Banderas exudes Cheese. You are so Gay you make Rue Paul jealous. Your "I'm not Gay" protests are more transparent than Barney Frank's colon. Save it. You're gay, and we know it, so just stop with the protests.

This has got to be one of the funniest comments I have ever read on this forum!

[Chucky300]

Originally Posted by revstriker

You mean the way we are always being "slapped in the face" with "gay pride" events? You mean the way Miss California was slapped in the face for respectfully disagreeing with a political point? You mean the way that you constantly and continually slap people in the face for disagreeing with you or believing in a higher power?

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

....and how the gay movement wants to classify an entire law "Hate crime" about them to forge ahead with the gay agenda. Why must their be an agenda at all? If you are gay - you are gay - and if you are straight you are straight. What is the agenda for?

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by K-A

If someone is respectful and intelligent, understanding, etc. I will reciprocate that, if someone is throwing douche-bag/bigot/disrespectful behavior, I'll throw that back as well.

Cause two wrongs always make a a right. Great strategy there.

Problem is, most people here are on one side, so they see what I'm doing as un-just, yet are oblivious as to why the things they say, would piss off, and justify a certain type of response/attitude.

If by "what you are doing" you mean personally attacking others who simply disagree with you, then yes, this is very unjust. But just having a difference of opinion is not unjust, especially if that opinion is on a political issue like gay marriage (because it IS just a political issue). But the real question is why does it "piss you off" when someone disagrees with you? Why do you resort to personal attacks?

I personally get tired of seeing and hearing so many Religious people act and say what they do toward Gays, I don't have the energy to always intelligently plan out how to combat it, without just resorting to "attack" such an easy target itself.

So what exactly are these religious people saying that pisses you off? The fact that being gay is against their religion? But if you don't follow that religion, or any religion, why would that piss you off?

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by Chucky300

....and how the gay movement wants to classify an entire law "Hate crime" about them to forge ahead with the gay agenda.

Don't even get me started on hate crimes. The whole thing is absurd. I think if person A assaults person B, for whatever the reason, there is hate involved. All hate crime laws do is set up a system where its better to hate someone because they have blonde hair than it is to hate someone because they have black skin. Or to put it into the gay agenda, it's not as bad to hate a man who likes a woman than it is to hate a man who likes a man.

[GBlansten]

Originally Posted by revstriker

Don't even get me started on hate crimes. The whole thing is absurd. I think if person A assaults person B, for whatever the reason, there is hate involved. All hate crime laws do is set up a system where its better to hate someone because they have blonde hair than it is to hate someone because they have black skin. Or to put it into the gay agenda, it's not as bad to hate a man who likes a woman than it is to hate a man who likes a man.

Completely in agreement on this.

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by GBlansten

Completely in agreement on this.

Thanks for agreeing on this.

The way it should work is the motivation to commit a crime should be considered at sentencing by the judge/jury. This should be within the window of punishment set by the crime itself, not a completely different window.

[Chucky300]

Originally Posted by revstriker

Don't even get me started on hate crimes. The whole thing is absurd. I think if person A assaults person B, for whatever the reason, there is hate involved. All hate crime laws do is set up a system where its better to hate someone because they have blonde hair than it is to hate someone because they have black skin. Or to put it into the gay agenda, it's not as bad to hate a man who likes a woman than it is to hate a man who likes a man.

Exactly my point. The gay agenda likes to make it all about them - when in reality - what you said is exactly the situation. If I attack you, what difference does it make what color you are - or who you like to share a bed with - crime is crime.

[K-A]

Originally Posted by MG

lmao. Man, you exude Gay like Antonio Banderas exudes Cheese. You are so Gay you make Rue Paul jealous. Your "I'm not Gay" protests are more transparent than Barney Frank's colon. Save it. You're gay, and we know it, so just stop with the protests.

Lol, when in your whacky lifetime have I "protested" that I'm not Gay. You've thrown countless Homophobic and disrespectful comments at "Gay" me, and that's the first time I've even answered you seriously with the truth. No big deal though, fine, I'm Gay.

Read my prior post, I answer childish disrespectful behavior with..... Well you know.

Originally Posted by revstriker

You mean the way we are always being "slapped in the face" with "gay pride" events? You mean the way Miss California was slapped in the face for respectfully disagreeing with a political point? You mean the way that you constantly and continually slap people in the face for disagreeing with you or believing in a higher power?

Talk about the pot calling the kettle black!

Ms. California got what she deserved and I don;t feel sorry for her one bit!

Originally Posted by revstriker

Cause two wrongs always make a a right. Great strategy there.

If by "what you are doing" you mean personally attacking others who simply disagree with you, then yes, this is very unjust. But just having a difference of opinion is not unjust, especially if that opinion is on a political issue like gay marriage (because it IS just a political issue). But the real question is why does it "piss you off" when someone disagrees with you? Why do you resort to personal attacks?

So what exactly are these religious people saying that pisses you off? The fact that being gay is against their religion? But if you don't follow that religion, or any religion, why would that piss you off?

I didn't say it was a smart strategy, I admitted it's foolish. I stoop down to the level of a fool that I'd be arguing with. If someone respectfully and intelligently disagrees with me, Ill give them respect back.

What the person I apparently "attacked" said, is also an attack. Just because someone isn't on your side you clearly play the double-standard game.

[K-A]

Originally Posted by MG

lol, what the hell is wrong with "Civil Union"? its the disunions that tend to be uncivil.

"Mom, Dad, we're getting Civil Union'd!"

"Ever since I was a little boy, I've dreamt of the day I'd get Civil Union'd"

"My love, will you Civil Union me?"

"I can't wait to get Civil Union'd!"

Or would you say it like:

"Mom, Dad, we're getting in a Civil Union!"

"Ever since I was a little boy, I've dreamt of the day I'd get into a Civil Union"

"My love, will you get into a Civil Union with me?"

"I can't wait to get in a Civil Union!"


.... Hmm, not so romantic or pleasing. Screw Civil Union, it's just another way for society view keep the Gays as the laughing stock/2nd classes.

If they can create a fancy name which signifies from the get-go, the bonding of two men/2 women, to spend the "rest of their lives" hating life with each other, and they get the exact same rights/privileges/benefits, blah blah, as a Marriage, I'd be pro it.

[Chucky300]

Originally Posted by K-A

Ms. California got what she deserved and I don;t feel sorry for her one bit!

....So because an American citizen excersized her right to free speech after being asked a question with regards to her opinion on marriage.....she deserved to be ripped apart by the gay community, ultimately ruining her career?

You may or may not be a homosexual, but you are certainly not an American.

Shame on you!

[Chucky300]

[AMGC60-3]

Originally Posted by Chucky300

Not only is he GAY but also a very negative individual. Every post he seems to be negative. Is there such a thing as an angry gay man?

[Chucky300]

Originally Posted by AMGC60-3

Not only is he GAY but also a very negative individual. Every post he seems to be negative. Is there such a thing as an angry gay man?

[NdnMbLova]

I never did get why people are so fascinated by that individual ^^.

[GBlansten]

Originally Posted by NdnMbLova

I never did get why people are so fascinated by that individual ^^.

I wonder what the size of that tshirt is...I'm going to guess it is "OMG it's moving towards me". I think that comes after 2XXL.

[Chucky300]

Originally Posted by NdnMbLova

I never did get why people are so fascinated by that individual ^^.

For the same reason folks are fascinated with/by freak shows at your local carnival.

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by K-A

Ms. California got what she deserved and I don;t feel sorry for her one bit!



I didn't say it was a smart strategy, I admitted it's foolish. I stoop down to the level of a fool that I'd be arguing with. If someone respectfully and intelligently disagrees with me, Ill give them respect back.

BS! We've already seen you personally attack others on this forum for being against gay marriage. We've already seen you call people "ignorant" and make fun of them for believing in a higher power. We've already seen you jump on the personal attack bandwagon against Miss California because she respectfully disagreed with gay marriage. Even in this very post you claim she "got what she deserved". That is respectful disagreement to you?

What the person I apparently "attacked" said, is also an attack. Just because someone isn't on your side you clearly play the double-standard game.

You don't just attack a person, you attack a group of people. You clearly lump everyone who disagrees with you into your "ignorant" comments.

[NdnMbLova]

Originally Posted by Chucky300

For the same reason folks are fascinated with/by freak shows at your local carnival.

We have carnivals around here? Dang.