Shooting at Fort Hood TX

[Nola]

Originally Posted by Tymah123 I hope they will find and prosecute all those responsible in the US and overseas. Why overseas?

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[Tymah123]

Originally Posted by Nola

Why overseas?

At that point nobody had any knowledge who this person is...

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by Nola

Why overseas?

At the time of the post you quoted, little was known about who had committed the murders, and who may have been behind it.

[AFhockey31]

heres the UNCLASS report that just got sent out to us.

[markopolo]

Army: Suspect Said `Allah Akbar!' Before Shooting

The base commander at Fort Hood says soldiers who witnessed a shooting rampage that left 13 people dead reported that the gunman shouted "Allah Akbar!" before opening fire at the Texas post.


Lt. Gen. Robert Cone told NBC's "Today" show on Friday that suspected shooter, Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, made the comment, which is Arabic for "God is great!" before the rampage Thursday that also left 30 people wounded.


Military officials say they are still piecing together what may have pushed Hasan, an Army psychiatrist trained to help soldiers in distress, to turn on his comrades.

Cone says Hasan was not known to be a threat or risk.


Hasan was shot four times during the rampage. Cone says he is hospitalized in stable condition and that military officials will interrogate him as soon as possible.


http://www.newsmax.com/insidecover/u...06/282603.html

[M1M2M3]

I never got how you could scream god is great then kill people.

[MG]

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/polit...President.html

President Obama didn't wait long after Tuesday's devastating elections to give critics another reason to question his leadership, but this time the subject matter was more grim than a pair of governorships.

After news broke out of the shooting at the Fort Hood Army post in Texas, the nation watched in horror as the toll of dead and injured climbed. The White House was notified immediately and by late afternoon, word went out that the president would speak about the incident prior to a previously scheduled appearance. At about 5 p.m., cable stations went to the president. The situation called for not only his trademark eloquence, but also grace and perspective.

But instead of a somber chief executive offering reassuring words and expressions of sympathy and compassion, viewers saw a wildly disconnected and inappropriately light president making introductory remarks. At the event, a Tribal Nations Conference hosted by the Department of Interior's Bureau of Indian affairs, the president thanked various staffers and offered a "shout-out" to "Dr. Joe Medicine Crow -- that Congressional Medal of Honor winner." Three minutes in, the president spoke about the shooting, in measured and appropriate terms. Who is advising him?

Anyone at home aware of the major news story of the previous hours had to have been stunned. An incident like this requires a scrapping of the early light banter. The president should apologize for the tone of his remarks, explain what has happened, express sympathy for those slain and appeal for calm and patience until all the facts are in. That's the least that should occur.

[M1M2M3]

Originally Posted by MG

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/polit...President.html

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkbBPsPSIrA

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by MG

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/polit...President.html

Wow! You know it's bad when even NBC in your home town is criticizing you.

[Nola]

Originally Posted by revstriker

Wow! You know it's bad when even NBC in your home town is criticizing you.

Totally inappropriate.

[panzr15]

Originally Posted by M1M2M3

I never got how you could scream god is great then kill people.

When the teachings of militant Islam (Wahhabi Islam) describe anyone that does not follow the same teachings as sub-human, then it is very easy to scream things such as "God is Great" before killing them.

[JustPete]

Originally Posted by M1M2M3

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YkbBPsPSIrA

I have to say, listening to that ... it was awkward and disconnected. Seemed very disingenuous referring to the incident almost as an afterthought.

All the damn talk about the conference and organizers and the "process" ... And what the hell was with the shout out? Just terrible.

[AFhockey31]

i watched that last night and was just blah.. it was like he was being bothered to even speak about it.

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by JustPete

I have to say, listening to that ... it was awkward and disconnected. Seemed very disingenuous referring to the incident almost as an afterthought.

All the damn talk about the conference and organizers and the "process" ... And what the hell was with the shout out? Just terrible.

I tend to agree. I saw clips of Obama last night, but did not see them in context with his opening remarks. Even when I first read the article I thought that maybe someone was making too much out of it (I was actually giving BO the benefit of the doubt). But after watching the video, it was weird. Whoever gave him the instructions to go out and do his introductions and "shout out" first needs to be fired. While I have great admiration for all of our Country's Medal of Honor winners, I have no doubt that this great man would not have had an issue with the POTUS addressing the shootings prior to being recognized.

[RobertG]

Originally Posted by revstriker

I have no doubt that this great man would not have had an issue with the POTUS addressing the shootings prior to being recognized.

That's the whole point of the "Medal of Honor" others come first!

[markopolo]

Originally Posted by JustPete

I have to say, listening to that ... it was awkward and disconnected. Seemed very disingenuous referring to the incident almost as an afterthought.

All the damn talk about the conference and organizers and the "process" ... And what the hell was with the shout out? Just terrible.

I guess our leftie-waste-of-skin "Commander-in Chief" can always blame the teleprompter malfunction.
What a shame!

[AFhockey31]

Are you ****ing serious???

"Compassion Fatigue"?!

Is there really an excuse for EVERYTHING anymore?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572625,00.html

[Kaz]

Originally Posted by revstriker

Wow! You know it's bad when even NBC in your home town is criticizing you.

The National Barack Channel seems to be drifting away more and more lately.

[LRM1]

Where's Michael Moore with his stopwatch. I mean he measured the time GW sat on 9/11 as news was unclear and being whispered to. Where is he with his stopwatch after this shoutout?

[Glasgow Gold]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091106/..._hood_shooting

This guy had major issues. Why would you go into the U.S. military if you have a blanket beef with wars that happen to take place in Muslim countries? Same beef with the war to save Kuwait (which the Kuwaitis and Saudis begged us to get involved)?

Hasan appeared less forgiving to Dr. Val Finnell when they were classmates in a 2007-08 master's public health program at the Uniformed Services University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Md.

He said that at a class presentation by public health students, at which topics like dry cleaning chemicals and house mold were discussed, Hasan talked about U.S. military actions as a war on Islam. Hasan made clear he was a "vociferous opponent" of U.S. wars in Muslim countries, Finnell said.

"He made himself a lightning rod for things," Finnell said. "No one picked on him because he was a Muslim."

Law enforcement officials said they are trying to confirm if Hasan wrote Internet postings that include his name about suicide bombings and other threats, equating suicide bombers to soldiers who throw themselves on a grenade to save the life of fellow soldiers.

Hasan is the Arlington, Va.-born son of Palestinian parents who ran a restaurant and bar in Roanoke, Va., from 1987 to 1995, and owned a small grocery store in that city.

His relatives in the West Bank said they had heard from family members that Hasan felt mistreated in the Army as a Muslim.

[whiteongrey]

This is horrible and not unlike he 3 yr veteran Afghan policeman who opened up on hit Brit colleagues a couple of days a ago killing 4-7 of them. Fortunatly the other brits were armed and smoked the guy.

I'm sure sleepers are everywhere.

[revstriker]

His relatives in the West Bank said they had heard from family members that Hasan felt mistreated in the Army as a Muslim.

More likely, if he was mistreated at all, it was because he was very vocal against the actions of the US Army.

What I don't understand is how this guy could have made such public statements like those quoted, but still allowed to go forward with his career in the military. Heck, he was promoted to Major recently. Someone making public comments such as this should be promptly dismissed from the service. Especially if they are Muslim.

Hopefully we learn from this event and change the way we deal with individuals in situations such as this. However, with Obama as CIC, and Gates apparently acting as his puppet, I doubt things will change in the right way to prevent this from happening again.

[Glasgow Gold]

Originally Posted by revstriker

What I don't understand is how this guy could have made such public statements like those quoted, but still allowed to go forward with his career in the military. Heck, he was promoted to Major recently. Someone making public comments such as this should be promptly dismissed from the service. Especially if they are Muslim.

Indeed. This article states that the family suggests that Hasan wanted out of the military but couldn't get a discharge. I take it with a grain of salt, as the family's other quotes suggest they are trying hard to pin blame on something/someone other than themselves, Jihadism, etc.

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/us...nted=2&_r=1&hp

Major Hasan also told family members that he had experienced anti-Muslim harassment in the Army and had tried for several years to be discharged. But the Army, which had paid for his education and was in great need of psychiatrists, refused, family members said.

In this morning's papers I'm particularly fascinated by the 5'4" gal who shot Hasan and likely saved many lives. Kimberly Munley is a hero.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5563304.shtml

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by Glasgow Gold

In this morning's papers I'm particularly fascinated by the 5'4" gal who shot Hasan and likely saved many lives. Kimberly Munley is a hero.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2009/...n5563304.shtml

Indeed! Good read.

The only thing that worries me was the report that said some of the victims may have been hit by "friendly fire". I hope this is not the case.

[whiteongrey]

Since no one there / Ft Hood office was armed this is really just another disgruntled workplace shooting - or he was a sleeper.

Regardless, in the US, school, workplace and public shootings like this have occurred for decades and cannot be attributed to any one gov't policy or president etc.

It's just a risk that comes with the right to bear arms - from time to time a nut case will lose it.

Good thing that gal was nearby and disabled the shooter.