Shooting at Fort Hood TX

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by whiteongrey Since no one there / Ft Hood office was armed this is really just another disgruntled workplace shooting - or he was a sleeper. Not sure what difference it would make (to the description of this event) if there were armed people in the office or not. But I disagree that this was "just another disgruntled workplace shooting". It appears this was a man who honored suicide bombers, was vocal about his opposition to the US's war on Islam (even though he was in a position to understand that it was not this), and called out "Allah Akbar" as he was doing the shootings. This was a terrorist act. It doesn't matter if he was an American acting alone, or if he had an affiliation with a known terrorist organization.

To remove this ad, register today or login if you already are registered!

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by revstriker

While I have great admiration for all of our Country's Medal of Honor winners, I have no doubt that this great man would not have had an issue with the POTUS addressing the shootings prior to being recognized.

Come to find out, Dr. Joe Medicine Crow, the "Congressional Medal of Honor" winner who Obama gave his "shout out" to, was not even a Medal of Honor winner! He was actually a Medal of Freedom winner which is the highest civilian award. Still an honor, but not quite the prestige of the Congressional Medal of Honor.

To make this even worse for Obama, he was the one who awarded the Freedom Medal to Crow. So no excuse on him not knowing this.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mike-ba...inner-who-isnt

[Gullwing]

I got this email today, I don't know who wrote it.


> Subject: What happened


> Since I don't know when I'll sleep (it's 4 am now) I'll write what happened (the abbreviated version.....the long one is already part of the investigation with more to come). I'll not write about any part of the investigation that I've learned about since (as a witness I know more than I should since inevitably my JAG brothers and sisters are deeply involved in the investigation). Don't assume that most of the current media accounts are very accurate. They're not. They'll improve with time. Only those of us who were there really know what went down. But as they collate our statements they'll get it right.
>
> I did my SRP last week (Soldier Readiness Processing) but you're supposed to come back a week later to have them look at the smallpox vaccination site (it's this big itchy growth on your shoulder). I am probably alive because I pulled a ---------- and entered the wrong building first (the main SRP building). The Medical SRP building is off to the side. Realizing my mistake I left the main building and walked down the sidewalk to the medical SRP building. As I'm walking up to it the gunshots start. Slow and methodical. But continuous. Two ambulatory wounded came out. Then two soldiers dragging a third who was covered in blood. Hearing the shots but not seeing the shooter, along with a couple other soldiers I stood in the street and yelled at everyone who came running that it was clear but to "RUN!". I kept motioning people fast. about 6-10 minutes later (the shooting continuous), two cops ran up. one male, one female. we pointed
> in the direction of the shots. they headed that way (the medical SRP building was about 50 meters away). then a lot more gunfire. a couple minutes later a balding man in ACU's came around the building carrying a pistol and holding it tactically. He started shooting at us and we all dived back to the cars behind us. I don't think he hit the couple other guys who were there. I did see the bullet holes later in the cars. First I went behind a tire and then looked under the body of the car. I've been trained how to respond to gunfire...but with my own weapon. To have no weapon I don't know how to explain what that felt like. I hadn't run away and stayed because I had thought about the consequences or anything like that. I wasn't thinking anything through. Please understand, there was no intention. I was just staying there because I didn't think about running. It never occurred to me that he might shoot me. Until he started
> shooting in my direction and I realized I was unarmed. Then the female cop comes around the corner. He shoots her. (according to the news accounts she got a round into him. I believe it, I just didn't see it. he didn't go down.) She goes down. He starts reloading. He's fiddling with his mags. Weirdly he hasn't dropped the one that was in his weapon. He's holding the fresh one and the old one (you do that on the range when time is not of the essence but in combat you would just let the old mag go). I see the male cop around the left corner of the building. (I'm about 15-20 meters from the shooter.) I yell at the cop, "He's reloading, he's reloading. Shoot him! Shoot him!) You have to understand, everything was quiet at this point. The cop appears to hear me and comes around the corner and shoots the shooter. He goes down. The cop kicks his weapon further away. I sprint up to the downed female cop. Another captain (I
> think he was with me behind the cars) comes up as well. She's bleeding profusely out of her thigh. We take our belts off and tourniquet her just like we've been trained (I hope we did it right...we didn't have any CLS (combat lifesaver) bags with their awesome tourniquets on us, so we worked with what we had). Meanwhile, in the most bizarre moment of the day, a photographer was standing over us taking pictures. I suppose I'll be seeing those tomorrow. Then a soldier came up and identified himself as a medic. I then realized her weapon was lying there unsecured (and on "fire"). I stood over it and when I saw a cop yelled for him to come over and secure her weapon (I would have done so but I was worried someone would mistake me for a bad guy). I then went over to the shooter. He was unconscious. A Lt Colonel was there and had secured his primary weapon for the time being. He also had a revolver. I couldn't believe he was
> one of ours. I didn't want to believe it. Then I saw his name and rank and realized this wasn't just some specialist with mental issues. At this point there was a guy there from CID and I asked him if he knew he was the shooter and had him secured. He said he did. I then went over the slaughter house. the medical SRP building. No human should ever have to see what that looked like. and I won't tell you. Just believe me. Please. there was nothing to be done there. Someone then said there was someone critically wounded around the corner. I ran around (while seeing this floor to ceiling window that someone had jumped through movie style) and saw a large African-American soldier lying on his back with two or three soldiers attending. I ran up and identified two entrance wounds on the right side of his stomach, one exit wound on the left side and one head wound. He was not bleeding externally from the stomach wounds (though
> almost certainly internally) but was bleeding from the head wound. A soldier was using a shirt to try and stop the head bleeding. He was conscious so I began talking to him to keep him so. He was 42, from North Carolina, he was named something Jr., his son was named something III and he had a daughter as well. His children lived with him. He was divorced. I told him the blubber on his stomach saved his life. He smiled. a young soldier in civvies showed up and identified himself as a combat medic. We debated whether to put him on the back of a pickup truck. A doctor (well, an audiologist) showed up and said you can't move him, he has a head wound. we finally sat tight. I went back to the slaughterhouse. they weren't letting anyone in there. not even medics. finally, after about 45 minutes had elapsed some cops showed up in tactical vests. someone said the TBI building was unsecured. They headed into there. All of a
> sudden a couple more shots were fired. People shouted there was a second shooter. a half hour later the SWAT showed up. there was no second shooter. that had been an impetuous cop apparently. but that confused things for a while. meanwhile I went back to the shooter. the female cop had been taken away. a medic was pumping plasma into the shooter. I'm not proud of this but I went up to her and said "this is the shooter, is there anyone else who needs attention...do them first". she indicated everyone else living was attended to. I still hadn't seen any EMTs or ambulances. I had so much blood on me that people kept asking me if I was ok. but that was all other people's blood. eventually (an hour and a half to two hours after the shootings) they started landing choppers. they took out the big African American guy and the shooter. I guess the ambulatory wounded were all at the SRP building. Everyone else in my area
> was dead.
>
> I suppose the emergency responders were told there were multiple shooters. I heard that was the delay with the choppers (they were all civilian helicopters). they needed a secure LZ. but other than the initial cops who did everything right, I didnt' see a lot of them for a while. I did see many a soldier rush out to help their fellows/sisters. there was one female soldier, I dont' know her name or rank but I would recognize her anywhere who was everywhere helping people. a couple people, mainly civilians, were hysterical, but only a couple. one civilian freaked out when I tried to comfort her when she saw my uniform. I guess she had seen the shooter up close. a lot of soldiers were rushing out to help even when we thought there was another gunman out there. this Army is not broken no matter what the pundits say. not the Army I saw.
>
> and then they kept me for a long time to come. oh, and perhaps the most surreal thing, at 1500 (the end of the workday on Thursdays) when the bugle sounded we all came to attention and saluted the flag. in the middle of it all.

this is what I saw. it can't have been real. but this is my small corner of what happened.

[revstriker]

Thanks for the apparent first hand account. I can only imagine what that experience must have been like.

[EUROTEK//AMG]

it looks like the soldiers got a taste of their own medicine...

[Can Drive 55]

My condolences to the victims and their families. I have a close kinship with Ft. Hood, having served there for 8 years during 3 tours.

Originally Posted by Glasgow Gold

Indeed. This article states that the family suggests that Hasan wanted out of the military but couldn't get a discharge. I take it with a grain of salt, as the family's other quotes suggest they are trying hard to pin blame on something/someone other than themselves, Jihadism, etc.

I think it is possible that he wanted a discharge and was not allowed to get out. It appears that he was a recent graduate of college and medical school. If this education was at government expense he would have had an obligation to serve several more years. When I was on active duty I believe the formula was two additional years of service were required for every year of school at government expense. And I might say that his actions are of the most heinous kind for which there is no justification. I hope he is the first one in a long time to receive a death sentence by a military court.

[hellcat]

Originally Posted by EUROTEK//AMG

it looks like the soldiers got a taste of their own medicine...

More proof that the best thing that could happen to humanity is the eradication of this "religion of peace."

[EUROTEK//AMG]

Originally Posted by hellcat

More proof that the best thing that could happen to humanity is the eradication of this "religion of peace."

good luck on that! ...i hope you have 1.6 billion + soldiers/troops....

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by EUROTEK//AMG

good luck on that! ...i hope you have 1.6 billion + soldiers/troops....

We don't need a$$holes like you on this forum. You are suspended for at least 30 days. If I have my way, you will be permanently banned.

[Gullwing]

Originally Posted by revstriker

We don't need a$$holes like you on this forum. You are suspended for at least 30 days. If I have my way, you will be permanently banned.

+1

[AMGC60-3]

Originally Posted by revstriker

We don't need a$$holes like you on this forum. You are suspended for at least 30 days. If I have my way, you will be permanently banned.

Plus one for me as well.

[Glasgow Gold]

Originally Posted by EUROTEK//AMG

it looks like the soldiers got a taste of their own medicine...

U.S. soldiers are in the business of saving the world from morons like you and Hasan, so of course you're on another planet again. But, I'm not surprised that you would jump on this event to restart your trolling here.

Speaking of stupidity, Janet Napolitano is already front and center on the Obama apology tour. What a strange way to react to this event. Most troubling is that Napolitano seems to misunderstand her role. Her title is not Chief Apology Officer, Czar of Appeasement or even Direct of Outreach. She is the Homeland Security Secretary! Wow.

How about doing her job and trying to "deflect" Jihadist terrorism on U.S. soil?!

"This was a terrible tragedy for all involved," Napolitano told reporters in the United Arab Emirates' capital Abu Dhabi.

"Obviously, we object to — and do not believe — that anti-Muslim sentiment should emanate from this."

Napolitano said her agency is working with state and local groups to try to deflect any anti-Muslim anger after the Thursday attacks by Army Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, a Muslim who reportedly expressed growing dismay over the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan. The shootings left 13 people dead and 29 wounded.

"This was an individual who does not, obviously, represent the Muslim faith," she said after meeting with a group of women university students.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091108/...9tZWxhbmRjaGll

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by Glasgow Gold

U.S. soldiers are in the business of saving the world from morons like you and Hasan, so of course you're on another planet again. But, I'm not surprised that you would jump on this event to restart your trolling here.

Speaking of stupidity, Janet Napolitano is already front and center on the Obama apology tour. What a strange way to react to this event. Most troubling is that Napolitano seems to misunderstand her role. Her title is not Chief Apology Officer, Czar of Appeasement or even Direct of Outreach. She is the Homeland Security Secretary! Wow.

How about doing her job and trying to "deflect" Jihadist terrorism on U.S. soil?!

+1. Seems her #1 priority is to apologize for things that haven't even happened. While she may make some Muslims feel all warm and fuzzy because she is trying to protect them against harassment, she sure doesn't make the citizens of this country (including Muslims) all warm and fuzzy that she is taking steps to protect us from terrorists.

[rodbuster]

Good move on the suspension revstriker! The mods here do a fine job.

[Glasgow Gold]

Two interesting developments today. Hasan is out of a coma and talking, as is his lawyer.

In addition, Hasan reached out at some point before the murders to the infamous radical imam, Anwar al Awlaki, who has praised Hasan's murderous rampage.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091110/..._hood_shooting

[Nola]

Originally Posted by EUROTEK//AMG

it looks like the soldiers got a taste of their own medicine...

Why would you say something like that?

[Nola]

Originally Posted by Nola

Why would you say something like that?

Never mind... I see he's suspended. Good move.

[bigben320e]

Originally Posted by Nola

Never mind... I see he's suspended. Good move.

Rev should put in word to ban him. Probably already has.

[Gullwing]

Originally Posted by bigben320e

Rev should put in word to ban him. Probably already has.

Probably no votes to not ban him.
Though I would like to meet him in a nice neutral location to discuss his views.

[S55inPA]

Originally Posted by Glasgow Gold

U.S. soldiers are in the business of saving the world from morons like you and Hasan, so of course you're on another planet again. But, I'm not surprised that you would jump on this event to restart your trolling here.

Speaking of stupidity, Janet Napolitano is already front and center on the Obama apology tour. What a strange way to react to this event. Most troubling is that Napolitano seems to misunderstand her role. Her title is not Chief Apology Officer, Czar of Appeasement or even Direct of Outreach. She is the Homeland Security Secretary! Wow.

How about doing her job and trying to "deflect" Jihadist terrorism on U.S. soil?!



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20091108/...9tZWxhbmRjaGll

where are the Muslim groups condemning this behavior????
......planning more attacks???...while our government
purposely tries to manipulate reality.

[MG]

Originally Posted by S55inPA

where are the Muslim groups condemning this behavior????
......planning more attacks???...while our government
purposely tries to manipulate reality.

http://www.politico.com/blogs/joshge...ked_group.html

Attorney General Eric Holder has agreed to give a keynote speech next week to a Michigan group which includes the local branch of the Council on American-Islamic Relations even though the FBI has formally severed contacts with the controversial Muslim civil rights organization

[benz rider]

Here's the Uncle Tom Kenyan's nonchalant response to the massacre in Fort Hood by that savage animal muslim dude.

http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/polit...President.html

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by Gullwing

Probably no votes to not ban him..

You would be correct.

Check out his new permanent status.

[MG]

how about removing his sig pic?

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,572726,00.html

Sgt. Amy Krueger

Krueger, 29, of Kiel, Wis., joined the Army after the 2001 terrorist attacks and had vowed to take on Usama bin Laden, her mother, Jeri Krueger said.

Amy Krueger arrived at Fort Hood on Tuesday and was scheduled to be sent to Afghanistan in December, her mother told the Herald Times Reporter of Manitowoc.

Jeri Krueger recalled telling her daughter that she could not take on bin Laden by herself.

"Watch me," her daughter replied.

Kiel High School Principal Dario Talerico told The Associated Press that Krueger graduated from the school in 1998 and had spoken at least once to local elementary school students about her career.

"I just remember that Amy was a very good kid, who like most kids in a small town are just looking for what their next step in life was going to be and she chose the military," Talerico said. "Once she got into the military, she really connected with that kind of lifestyle and was really proud to serve her country."

[revstriker]

Originally Posted by MG

how about removing his sig pic?

Done.