Eurocharged Group Buy for V12 Biturbo Software

[Eurocharged]

Hey everyone EUROCHARGED has being working on a Tune for the V12 Biturbo Series Benz and have made outstanding gains,also we've come up with an great group buy price. We are offering our Reflash for the 2004 - Present S600, SL600, CL600 S65, SL65, CL65 at a group buy price of $999.99 Here are the results 2004 S600 STOCK POWER: 372 WHP 506 RWTQ REMAPPED POWER 428 WHP 680 RWTQ 2009 S600 Pink is hot run Blue is stock Green is ice / cool down for 30 minutes For ordering info PM or Email Sales@eurocharged.com

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[Bukwild]

I am intrested but does this work for the 2003 s600? I thought there was no difference between the 03 and 04 as per motor and turbos?

[JAYCL600]

Originally Posted by Bukwild

I am intrested but does this work for the 2003 s600? I thought there was no difference between the 03 and 04 as per motor and turbos?

this will work for your car, all motors and turbos are the same starting with your model year.

[FormulaZR]

Wow...stock was only 372? Do these cars really have a 25% drivetrain loss? Seriously, help me understand why a 25% loss of HP, but only a 13% loss of TQ?

[Benz-O-Rama]

Originally Posted by FormulaZR

Wow...stock was only 372? Do these cars really have a 25% drivetrain loss? Seriously, help me understand why a 25% loss of HP, but only a 13% loss of TQ?

On dynojets drivetrain loss is an agreed 18%. On a Dyno Dynamics, figure up to an additional 10% loss due to it's load bearing nature.

[FormulaZR]

Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama

On dynojets drivetrain loss is an agreed 18%. On a Dyno Dynamics, figure up to an additional 10% loss due to it's load bearing nature.

I guess I can understand that...but why the difference between hp and tq from fw rating to rw rating?

[MRAMG1]

Originally Posted by FormulaZR

I guess I can understand that...but why the difference between hp and tq from fw rating to rw rating?

Not sure my friend

I was there and saw the numbers on each and every pull so I know they are true. What I can tell you is now she truely is a BEAST

Give Jerry a chance and he will make you VERY happy with your car, again I know this as fact.

[Benz-O-Rama]

Originally Posted by FormulaZR

I guess I can understand that...but why the difference between hp and tq from fw rating to rw rating?

I was wondering myself. If we make some assumptions that a DD dyno will yield a 25% drivetrain loss.....

372 whp /.75 = 496 flywheel hp (sounds right)
506 wtq /.75 = 674 flywheel tq (sounds high)

Could be that his car is a factory freak. Or could be that MB rated these cars lower as not to kill 55k AMG sales. Not sure. I do know that I will be doing a baseline on my SL600 very soon, so I'll have more data.

[FormulaZR]

Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama

I was wondering myself. If we make some assumptions that a DD dyno will yield a 25% drivetrain loss.....

372 whp /.75 = 496 flywheel hp (sounds right)
506 wtq /.75 = 674 flywheel tq (sounds high)

Could be that his car is a factory freak. Or could be that MB rated these cars lower as not to kill 55k AMG sales. Not sure. I do know that I will be doing a baseline on my SL600 very soon, so I'll have more data.

Yes sir...that's the part I was having a hard time wrapping my head around. I'm not arguing the numbers...I just don't understand.

IF that car had a bad IC pump, would that explain some of it?

[JAYCL600]

Guys listen dont get caught up in the numbers, use the dyno as a before and after tool to measure your gains and losses from modifications. There are way to many variable involved in trying to calculate RWHP to crank and vice-versa.

[FormulaZR]

Originally Posted by JAYCL600

Guys listen dont get caught up in the numbers, use the dyno as a before and after tool to measure your gains and losses from modifications. There are way to many variable involved in trying to calculate RWHP to crank and vice-versa.

So...would it still be safe to assume the tune is a +56hp/174tq tune...or a +15% tune? I am trying to "compare" this to the Renntech tune...and it seems as though this one would be a 580/800 tune, could that be correct? That rwtq after the tune is certainly up there!

Obviously the price is quite a bit different; but I also know the quality of the Renntech tune as far as gains and driveability and number of issues makes it hard to beat...for any price.

There are a lot of people claiming to tune V12tt's well...but that statement seems to only be true with a few. I hope the Eurocharged is one of those, and I mean no disrespect to them...I'd just like to know which camp they are in.

[Benz-O-Rama]

Originally Posted by JAYCL600

Guys listen dont get caught up in the numbers, use the dyno as a before and after tool to measure your gains and losses from modifications. There are way to many variable involved in trying to calculate RWHP to crank and vice-versa.

I agree 100% but wouldn't you also argue that if the HP and TQ numbers were extrapolated from the same dyno pull, then the deltas between their respective OEM expected numbers should be close? Meaning they were the exact same variables at the exact same time. So if the HP seems correct (close to expected OEM) for that pull, so should the torque.

I would agree that if the peak HP number listed above is from a different pull than the Peak TQ listed above, then we can not compare the two deltas.

[Benz-O-Rama]

Can't I just put a boost controller made for a Supra on this dune buggy and call it a day?

[JAYCL600]

Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama

I agree 100% but wouldn't you also argue that if the HP and TQ numbers were extrapolated from the same dyno pull, then the deltas between their respective OEM expected numbers should be close? Meaning they were the exact same variables at the exact same time. So if the HP seems correct (close to expected OEM) for that pull, so should the torque.

I would agree that if the peak HP number listed above is from a different pull than the Peak TQ listed above, then we can not compare the two deltas.

No I wouldnt argue that because I dont look at using a dyno that way...one could use that argument but I wouldnt. I go into a dyno to baseline then dyno again post modifications, then I compare the before and after data.

[loungn14]

Originally Posted by FormulaZR

So...would it still be safe to assume the tune is a +56hp/174tq tune...or a +15% tune? I am trying to "compare" this to the Renntech tune...and it seems as though this one would be a 580/800 tune, could that be correct? That rwtq after the tune is certainly up there!

Obviously the price is quite a bit different; but I also know the quality of the Renntech tune as far as gains and driveability and number of issues makes it hard to beat...for any price.

There are a lot of people claiming to tune V12tt's well...but that statement seems to only be true with a few. I hope the Eurocharged is one of those, and I mean no disrespect to them...I'd just like to know which camp they are in.

No disrespect whatsoever taken. One of the reasons that EC was started with LET is that there were too many companies out there taking advantage of the Mercedes and BMW tax. We as owners got sick of it and did something about it.

The tunes have been around for quite some time on other mercedes platforms with many happy customers.

EC/LET offer a full refund if your not satisfied with the tune. Whats there to lose?

[FormulaZR]

Originally Posted by loungn14

No disrespect whatsoever taken. One of the reasons that EC was started with LET is that there were too many companies out there taking advantage of the Mercedes and BMW tax. We as owners got sick of it and did something about it.

The tunes have been around for quite some time on other mercedes platforms with many happy customers.

EC/LET offer a full refund if your not satisfied with the tune. Whats there to lose?

So...if I get this tune and just flat don't like it, I will get my money and factory tune back? I know the first post says 04+; but shouldn't this apply to 03+ cars...or no?

[MRAMG1]

Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama

I would agree that if the peak HP number listed above is from a different pull than the Peak TQ listed above, then we can not compare the two deltas.

They were the SAME pull

Look guys, I know erveryone here is a bit gun shy, THANKS MHP.

I have nothing to gain from my good results, other than being VERY happy

PM me for more info as I have had enough for today. Have a nice weekend everybody!

[Jerry@LETMotorsports]

Originally Posted by FormulaZR

So...if I get this tune and just flat don't like it, I will get my money and factory tune back? I know the first post says 04+; but shouldn't this apply to 03+ cars...or no?

Yes, you will get you stock tune back and a full 100% refund! You have 14 days to drive and test it out.

The post should be edited and it should say 2003+. Thanks for catching that.

[FormulaZR]

Thanks...one other question, is this ECU only or ECU/TCU?

[Benz-O-Rama]

Originally Posted by FormulaZR

Thanks...one other question, is this ECU only or ECU/TCU?

Good question, and please add to that...

...How many V12TT cars are currently running this tune and how long has it been available?

Thanks gents.

[blackbenzz]

How long is the group buy price available for?

[TTMotorsports]

Originally Posted by JAYCL600

Guys listen dont get caught up in the numbers, use the dyno as a before and after tool to measure your gains and losses from modifications. There are way to many variable involved in trying to calculate RWHP to crank and vice-versa.

+1 Jay!

This is an absolute truth for the use of dyno's and the numbers that you get unless you are physically ECU tuning with the use of a dyno.

Dyno numbers are just that.................numbers! Used to corroborate or debunk modification claims(hp/tq) by the manufacturer of the parts being installed.

Good luck with the group buy Eurocharged. Some very nice numbers!

[FormulaZR]

Originally Posted by TTMotorsports

+1 Jay!

This is an absolute truth for the use of dyno's and the numbers that you get unless you are physically ECU tuning with the use of a dyno.

Dyno numbers are just that.................numbers! Used to corroborate or debunk modification claims(hp/tq) by the manufacturer of the parts being installed.

Good luck with the group buy Eurocharged. Some very nice numbers!

Again, though, the actual question I asked was missed....I give up!

[Thericker]

Originally Posted by FormulaZR

Again, though, the actual question I asked was missed....I give up!

NO TCU is not included or offered w/this Tune Give Jerry some time perhaps he'll add this option in future

[Benz-O-Rama]

Originally Posted by JAYCL600

No I wouldnt argue that because I dont look at using a dyno that way...one could use that argument but I wouldnt. I go into a dyno to baseline then dyno again post modifications, then I compare the before and after data.

Still learning here Jay......

So basically you're saying that forget about the actual hp/tq number. Just throw it out the window and instead focus on the difference between your pre/post tune numbers on the same dyno on the same day? Who cares if it says you're putting down 300 or 3000hp. Just look at the pre/post numbers all the way across the curve. Does that sum it up?