ABC suspension = MacPherson strut suspension?

Bam Bam · 02-25-2009, 06:05 AM

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacPherson_strut

Quote:

the strut setup is still used on high performance cars such as the Porsche 911, all BMWs except the 2007 X5, and several Mercedes-Benz models.

I wonder if some of the benz models include the R230s.

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R230_Nicke · 02-25-2009, 03:53 PM

No, ABC = Active Body Control.

That means electronically controlled fully hydraulic dampers.

No springs or shocks.

daltex · 02-25-2009, 08:06 PM

Document about ABC Suspension
http://www.mercedestechstore.com/pdf...%203-06-02.pdf

Strut looks like this

Robertpel99 · 02-25-2009, 10:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by daltex

Document about ABC Suspension
http://www.mercedestechstore.com/pdfs/R230_adivsor/218%20HO%20ABC%20(DPS)%203-06-02.pdf

Strut looks like this

On a siede not ei bought a replacement front right strut from the vendor from which this photo came for $399 brand new and it was installed without issue and is awesome. Compare that to $1500 at the dealer

just an fyi

Bam Bam · 02-25-2009, 11:40 PM

Quote:

it was installed without issue

Was the install done through MB dealership or did you go to a mechanic shop?

daltex · 02-26-2009, 12:19 PM

Has to be done at dealership or an indy with a STAR or comparable.
SBC has to be put into "rodeo" mode to bleed, if I remember correctly.

Oxygen · 08-20-2009, 09:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by R230_Nicke

No, ABC = Active Body Control.

That means electronically controlled fully hydraulic dampers.

No springs or shocks.

Not true!

Sorry to rain on the "fully hydraulic" parade here, but the ABC struts are a very complex combination of a hydraulic cylinder, steel spring and a gas shock absorber.

Bam Bam · 08-25-2009, 09:39 PM

Is it true that the struts are connected parrallel to the spring coil in the ABC suspension system?

The struts connected in parrallel will help dampens the bumps and body roll while driving?

So if the struts leak and no longer work to dampen the vehicle, you would still be able to drive your SL500 but the ride will be very bumby?

Rick SL55 · 08-25-2009, 11:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robertpel99

On a siede not ei bought a replacement front right strut from the vendor from which this photo came for $399 brand new and it was installed without issue and is awesome. Compare that to $1500 at the dealer

just an fyi

email or pm sellers web site or link.
thanks.

mikesSL55fla · 08-26-2009, 10:38 PM

same here with the seller of those struts. The part alone is 1600..

Oxygen · 08-27-2009, 10:34 AM

Ooops looks like my pictures died...

sjcsl55 · 08-28-2009, 07:37 AM

Hey Oxygen, where did you get these incredibly detailed pics? I bought a crappy service manual off eBay, and it basically sucks. Are these pics from a service manual you bought somewhere?

good stuff, thanks!!!

Oxygen · 08-28-2009, 12:56 PM

http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/index.jsp

pvlexxus · 08-28-2009, 05:05 PM

I had my ABC system replaced with new struts and they mercedes dealer charged me nearly 11,000. I didnt know if it was worth it or not but the ride is still a little rough.

Wiz · 10-31-2009, 09:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Robertpel99

On a siede not ei bought a replacement front right strut from the vendor from which this photo came for $399 brand new and it was installed without issue and is awesome. Compare that to $1500 at the dealer

just an fyi

I just found out my front nearside (RHD car) shock is leaking and needs to be replaced. Would this shock suit my car with ABC etc? Like you say, Mercedes want £1000 ($1500) for the part so $399 even with shipping on top would be a huge saving.

bobterry99 · 10-31-2009, 10:57 AM

The cheapest replacement strut that I know of is from www.parts.com for about $1000. You can easily install it yourself, but when finished the suspension must undergo a "rodeo routine" using Star Diagnosis.

Star Diagnosis used to sell on eBay for $500 plus shipping. Seller cnautools has them for $600 plus shipping but has no auctions for them.

Wiz · 10-31-2009, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobterry99

The cheapest replacement strut that I know of is from www.parts.com for about $1000. You can easily install it yourself, but when finished the suspension must undergo a "rodeo routine" using Star Diagnosis.

Star Diagnosis used to sell on eBay for $500 plus shipping. Seller cnautools has them for $600 plus shipping but has no auctions for them.

Thanks for that, I'll see if potomac still sell them, their price is excellent and it'll be well worth shipping one over. If not I'll try Parts.com, thanks.

daltex · 11-01-2009, 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobterry99

Star Diagnosis used to sell on eBay for $500 plus shipping. Seller cnautools has them for $600 plus shipping but has no auctions for them.

I got mine from Yohotech(Jackie) http://www.yohotech.com/products/YH003.htm

Got the BMW GT1 & the Star Compact 3 from them.
Saved me a bundle so far.

vbgambini · 11-17-2009, 05:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rick SL55

email or pm sellers web site or link.
thanks.

curious whats the website that you bought the strut for $399. Thanks.

Rick SL55 · 11-17-2009, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vbgambini

curious whats the website that you bought the strut for $399. Thanks.

never got the reply or info.

however here'ssome info:

http://www.benzworld.org/forums/r230...available.html

Mercedes SL Super Deluxe Air Suspension Kit?

NEMES1S · 11-18-2009, 02:16 PM

I don't have an account over on benzworld, has anyone found out if they will start to rebuild other makes like the r230, or are they strictly working on W's?

Rick SL55 · 11-18-2009, 10:19 PM

just cop/paste:

"Hello everyone, my name is Adam. I am here to introduce myself and my company to this forum. We currently remanufacture air suspension parts for all the W211 & W220 Mercedes vehicles. I can see that many of you have had numerous issues with your ABC suspension system on your Mercedes. We are in the final stages of our R&D on a completely remanufactured ABC shock. We hope to have our remanufactured front and rear shocks available for market by January 2010. We are now a supporting vendor and member on Benzworld.org

I will certainly keep everyone informed on all these new products and special promotions once they are available. We are also looking for any old ABC shocks for future remanufacturing. We are currently paying $50.00 each for any old blown out ABC shocks you may have sitting around.

If anyone has questions please feel free to message me, or contact me directly at adam@arnottinc.com

Air Suspension Kits, Air Shocks, Suspension Parts, Struts - Arnott Industries
Thank you
Adam"

www.arnottinc.com

02-25-2009, 03:53 PM	#2
R230_Nicke Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Stockholm, Sweden Posts: 159 Drives: SL 600 640bhp/1000Nm	No, ABC = Active Body Control. That means electronically controlled fully hydraulic dampers. No springs or shocks. __________________ My site with my cars, only in Swedish Current: '04 SL600 Black. 640bhp \| 740ft-lb (1000Nm) \| Limited to 200 mph (325km/h) \| IForged Daytonas 19 x 9, 19 x 11 PS2 \| Lowered \| Straight Piped \| Quad Tips \| 2007 SL65 front \| DTM / Black Series steering wheel \| Carbon Fiber interior \| Decklid spoiler \| Tinted Current: '08 C200K W204 Avantgarde. AMG package. Panoroof. Keyless-go. Memory package.

02-25-2009, 08:06 PM	#3
daltex Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 56 Drives: 03 SL500	Document about ABC Suspension http://www.mercedestechstore.com/pdf...%203-06-02.pdf Strut looks like this Last edited by daltex; 02-25-2009 at 08:11 PM.

08-27-2009, 10:34 AM	#11
Oxygen MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,735 Drives: w220 S600 V12 Biturbo - TUNED	Ooops looks like my pictures died... __________________ \| Photos \| TTMotorsports Team #27 \| ν = μ / ρ, [m² s-1] \| '05 Mercedes-Benz S600 - 5.5L 36V SOHC V12 Biturbo Designed & Built @ TTMotorsports \| ///AMG \| RENNtech \| PES \| Meisterschaft \| Snow Performance \| BMC \| Rädenergie

08-28-2009, 07:37 AM	#12
sjcsl55 Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: San Jose, CA Posts: 143 Drives: 04 SL55 AMG	Hey Oxygen, where did you get these incredibly detailed pics? I bought a crappy service manual off eBay, and it basically sucks. Are these pics from a service manual you bought somewhere? good stuff, thanks!!! __________________ '04 SL55 AMG Brilliant Silver / Charcoal, Claus Ettensberger 20" c725 rims, Pirelli 305/25 245/30 tires, lowering links, cleared corners, chromed turn signal and LED bulbs, chromed fins, K&N air filters, Valentine-1

08-28-2009, 12:56 PM	#13
Oxygen MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Long Island, NY Posts: 2,735 Drives: w220 S600 V12 Biturbo - TUNED	http://www.startekinfo.com/StarTek/index.jsp __________________ \| Photos \| TTMotorsports Team #27 \| ν = μ / ρ, [m² s-1] \| '05 Mercedes-Benz S600 - 5.5L 36V SOHC V12 Biturbo Designed & Built @ TTMotorsports \| ///AMG \| RENNtech \| PES \| Meisterschaft \| Snow Performance \| BMC \| Rädenergie

02-26-2009, 12:19 PM	#6
daltex Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 56 Drives: 03 SL500	Has to be done at dealership or an indy with a STAR or comparable. SBC has to be put into "rodeo" mode to bleed, if I remember correctly.

08-25-2009, 09:39 PM	#8
Bam Bam Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 91 Drives: non	Is it true that the struts are connected parrallel to the spring coil in the ABC suspension system? The struts connected in parrallel will help dampens the bumps and body roll while driving? So if the struts leak and no longer work to dampen the vehicle, you would still be able to drive your SL500 but the ride will be very bumby?

08-26-2009, 10:38 PM	#10
mikesSL55fla Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Posts: 107 Drives: sl 55 amg	same here with the seller of those struts. The part alone is 1600..

08-28-2009, 05:05 PM	#14
pvlexxus Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 23 Drives: 2003 sl500, 2002 ETC,99 Accord , 67 Mustang Coupe	I had my ABC system replaced with new struts and they mercedes dealer charged me nearly 11,000. I didnt know if it was worth it or not but the ride is still a little rough.

10-31-2009, 10:57 AM	#16
bobterry99 Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Posts: 222	The cheapest replacement strut that I know of is from www.parts.com for about $1000. You can easily install it yourself, but when finished the suspension must undergo a "rodeo routine" using Star Diagnosis. Star Diagnosis used to sell on eBay for $500 plus shipping. Seller cnautools has them for $600 plus shipping but has no auctions for them. __________________ Parting-out '92 R129 with black interior. Email to inquire about availability and price of parts.

11-18-2009, 02:16 PM	#21
NEMES1S Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Posts: 69 Drives: SL600 (soon)	I don't have an account over on benzworld, has anyone found out if they will start to rebuild other makes like the r230, or are they strictly working on W's?

11-18-2009, 10:19 PM	#22
Rick SL55 Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Puerto Rico Posts: 364 Drives: 2005 SL55 AMG, 1970 Dodge Charger 440, 1970 Plymouth Road Runner, Beck Spyder 550	just cop/paste: "Hello everyone, my name is Adam. I am here to introduce myself and my company to this forum. We currently remanufacture air suspension parts for all the W211 & W220 Mercedes vehicles. I can see that many of you have had numerous issues with your ABC suspension system on your Mercedes. We are in the final stages of our R&D on a completely remanufactured ABC shock. We hope to have our remanufactured front and rear shocks available for market by January 2010. We are now a supporting vendor and member on Benzworld.org I will certainly keep everyone informed on all these new products and special promotions once they are available. We are also looking for any old ABC shocks for future remanufacturing. We are currently paying $50.00 each for any old blown out ABC shocks you may have sitting around. If anyone has questions please feel free to message me, or contact me directly at adam@arnottinc.com Air Suspension Kits, Air Shocks, Suspension Parts, Struts - Arnott Industries Thank you Adam" www.arnottinc.com __________________ 2005 SL55 AMG Powerchip Group, VRP short headers ,K&N filters, PTE thermostat. 360 Forged wheels-Spec 5ive, Reus Audio

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