Track results with Kleemann ECU

[bfnnrgn]

Well I went to the track last night with a Kleemann ECU tune and thought I would post my results. My best ET was an 11.64 62.6 deg DA 854.6 ft RT .181 60' 1.862 330 4.977 1/8 7.559 MPH 95.69 1000 9.768 1/4 11.640 MPH 118.95 Best trap 120.94 57.2 deg DA 466.9 ft RT .222 60' 1.937 330 5.098 1/8 7.672 MPH 96.27 1000 9.875 1/4 11.735 MPH 120.94 Most of my ETs were in the 11.7 area and traps between 118 and 119. Weak on the trap side. On 8/28 I was at the track stock and was running in the 11.9xx and trapping in the 117-118 range. Best 11.914 and 118.26. DA ranged from 2400-1400 ft 88-72 deg. Either the Kleemann tune did nothing at all and the gains are only from lower DA or it only picked up some power under the curve. I had my data logger with me and IATs maxed out at 154, some were in the high 140s. Much better than when I was stock last time and peaking in the 170s. Thoughts?

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[jmf003]

Those are terrific numbers, especially for a positive air density day!

You trapped north of 120 mph, which is very fast. You picked up 2.7 mph on your best trap, which is a huge improvement.

Nice work!!

[Marcus Frost]

With ~1700DA my stock SL65 ran 11.5 @ 121mph.

It's better than your performance before, but soft for a 65.

-m

[bfnnrgn]

Originally Posted by Marcus Frost

With ~1700DA my stock SL65 ran 11.5 @ 121mph.

It's better than your performance before, but soft for a 65.

-m

I agree, I don't think the Kleemann tune did much of anything. I've trapped over 120 before stock in decent weather. I think my gains have more to do with the cooler air than the tune.

[Fikse]

get the car on a dyno and see what's going on.......

[JAYCL600]

Whats strange is your 60-130 time you gave me when stock isnt representative of the times you are posting above, if you follow me.

[bfnnrgn]

Originally Posted by JAYCL600

Whats strange is your 60-130 time you gave me when stock isnt representative of the times you are posting above, if you follow me.

My car had some repair work done after that and it's never been the same since.

[JAYCL600]

Originally Posted by bfnnrgn

My car had some repair work done after that and it's never been the same since.

Ive been somewhat following your ordeal, I know its been tough.

[bfnnrgn]

Everybody loves dynographs.
Dyno 1 was stock last year, Oct 6 2008. 528 rwhp, 78 degrees in the dyno room, 3rd gear.
Dyno 9 is this morning with Kleemann tune, Oct 12 2009. 548.6 rwhp, 74 degrees in dyno room, 3rd gear, IAT peaked at 117. Cooled down about 20 min sitting on the dyno. My IC pump runs when the ignition is in position 2 so the ICs were cold to the touch.
Dyno 10 is this morning w/Kleemann. 531.2 rwhp, 74 deg, 3rd gear, IAT peaked at 129. Back to back run, no cooldown. Looks like heatsoak got it.
Dyno 11 is this morning w/Kleeman. 537 rwhp, 74 deg, 4th gear, IAT peaked at 133. 10 min cooldown, IC pump running the whole time and was cold. Looks like timing went haywire in 4th.

I data logged all these too. Appears it's running really rich with the tune. Looks like I picked up 20 HP tops and timing goes crazy in 4th.

[JAYCL600]

The graphs are a bit too small to read the AFR but its definitely running rich from what I can see. I would definitely expect a larger jump in peak and under the curve HP then what you got>

[AMGfan]

Originally Posted by bfnnrgn

Appears it's running really rich with the tune. Looks like I picked up 20 HP tops and timing goes crazy in 4th.

bfnnrgn...I thought that Kleeman for 65's only netted between 20-30rwhp per Cory @ Kleeman...most of the gains are in the torque numbers...what did you get with regards to tq @ the wheels?

[bfnnrgn]

Originally Posted by AMGfan

bfnnrgn...I thought that Kleeman for 65's only netted between 20-30rwhp per Cory @ Kleeman...most of the gains are in the torque numbers...what did you get with regards to tq @ the wheels?

Kleemann advertises 90 crank hp and 110 tq. Couldn't get a tach pickup because it's under the airboxes. I talked to Cory before I bought the tune and have been in communication with him.

[bfnnrgn]

Well I got a new file and stuck it on the dyno today. Poor results I'm afraid. I actually lost a lot of power. 510 was my max this time, down from 550 on the last file. It's running pretty rich, exhaust actually smells of gas. IATs are just as good as last time and outside temp was the same. Not much else to be done at this point.

Cory offered to flash it back to stock and issue a full refund. Cory and Kleemann have been great to work with and they know their stuff, it just didn't work on my particular car. I understand the 65 tuning can be hit and miss. No bash on them and I wouldn't dissuade anyone from working with them. At least you know they'll take the time to work with you and if it doesn't work out they'll take care of you which is more than can be said of a lot of others.

[Benz-O-Rama]

Time to give Jerry and Eurocharged a shot. As I'm sure you've read, I'm seeing better ETs and MPH at the track with my Eurocharged SL600 than your Kleemann SL65. Something's not right. And I'm running a slightly detuned version of their basic shelf tune.

[Thericker]

Originally Posted by bfnnrgn

Well I got a new file and stuck it on the dyno today. Poor results I'm afraid. I actually lost a lot of power. 510 was my max this time, down from 550 on the last file. It's running pretty rich, exhaust actually smells of gas. IATs are just as good as last time and outside temp was the same. Not much else to be done at this point.

Cory offered to flash it back to stock and issue a full refund. Cory and Kleemann have been great to work with and they know their stuff, it just didn't work on my particular car. I understand the 65 tuning can be hit and miss. No bash on them and I wouldn't dissuade anyone from working with them. At least you know they'll take the time to work with you and if it doesn't work out they'll take care of you which is more than can be said of a lot of others.

Yo Robert, sorry to hear this news... Did you have Ice added to reservoir tank on any of these dyno's?

[Marcus Frost]

Robert,

I hate to sound like a broken record... but you really should consider a road trip up here to see Nick. I'm not saying he will 100% fix your issue, but with all the time, effort, and money you've put into your car I can personally testify that he worked wonders for my underpowered 65 and after running high 12s @ 117mph and feeling like I wanted to throw my car in the trash I was able to click off an 11.5 on stock software just a few weeks ago...

Just a thought...

-m

[blazeone]

Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama

Time to give Jerry and Eurocharged a shot. As I'm sure you've read, I'm seeing better ETs and MPH at the track with my Eurocharged SL600 than your Kleemann SL65. Something's not right. And I'm running a slightly detuned version of their basic shelf tune.

Heard the same no gains from a few others. Time to let Jerry take a look at your file.

[FormulaZR]

Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama

Time to give Jerry and Eurocharged a shot. As I'm sure you've read, I'm seeing better ETs and MPH at the track with my Eurocharged SL600 than your Kleemann SL65. Something's not right. And I'm running a slightly detuned version of their basic shelf tune.

+1

Jerry has done a great job with mine (sorry I don't have more strip results yet). And...I know Busa196 had issues with his 65 that Jerry seems to have fixed. Give him a call...

[bfnnrgn]

Originally Posted by Marcus Frost

Robert,

I hate to sound like a broken record... but you really should consider a road trip up here to see Nick. I'm not saying he will 100% fix your issue, but with all the time, effort, and money you've put into your car I can personally testify that he worked wonders for my underpowered 65 and after running high 12s @ 117mph and feeling like I wanted to throw my car in the trash I was able to click off an 11.5 on stock software just a few weeks ago...

Just a thought...

-m

The gears are turning again in that direction.

I'm not sure if mine is horribly broken anymore though. The dyno I had done origionally stock that showed 528 HP was done in Oct 2008. After the repairs I had some problems and the dyno showed mid 400s. After more extensive work I took it back and pulled out a 505 HP. What I didn't see was the temp in the dyno room that day. I can now that I have the dynojet files. It was 92 degrees when I did that run compared to the 79 before. The 2nd run in Oct 2008 the same day showed 513 hp, heat soak related and still only 79 degrees. My lower 505 post repair dyno could be because it was 92 out and possibly not that there's really anything wrong with it. It does get stupid hot here in TX.

[Benz-O-Rama]

How hard would it be to just make a few passes at a track with this tune? Is there one somewhat close to you? Your 1/4 mile trap speeds would end a lot of speculation.

[FormulaZR]

Originally Posted by bfnnrgn

The gears are turning again in that direction.

I'm not sure if mine is horribly broken anymore though. The dyno I had done origionally stock that showed 528 HP was done in Oct 2008. After the repairs I had some problems and the dyno showed mid 400s. After more extensive work I took it back and pulled out a 505 HP. What I didn't see was the temp in the dyno room that day. I can now that I have the dynojet files. It was 92 degrees when I did that run compared to the 79 before. The 2nd run in Oct 2008 the same day showed 513 hp, heat soak related and still only 79 degrees. My lower 505 post repair dyno could be because it was 92 out and possibly not that there's really anything wrong with it. It does get stupid hot here in TX.

Hopefully someone with more dyno experience can correct me if I'm wrong here. But, shouldn't the ambient temp only affect heat soak? It's my understand that most dyno runs are corrected to take atmospheric conditions into account.

I do agree with Clayton, though...a trip to the dragstrip would be the best "dyno" in this case. I know he had a "low power" tune on his car and had amazing results...so you could potentially have a similar result.

[Benz-O-Rama]

Originally Posted by FormulaZR

Hopefully someone with more dyno experience can correct me if I'm wrong here. But, shouldn't the ambient temp only affect heat soak? It's my understand that most dyno runs are corrected to take atmospheric conditions into account.

I do agree with Carlton, though...a trip to the dragstrip would be the best "dyno" in this case. I know he had a "low power" tune on his car and had amazing results...so you could potentially have a similar result.

Or Clayton, some may say.

You say tom-AH-to.....

[FormulaZR]

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Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama

Or Clayton, some may say.

You say tom-AH-to.....

Dammit...so sorry about that. I fixed the original post! The one time I try to act like I know what I'm talking about and I get it wrong...I'm just gonna go back to my helmet and coloring book now.


I think maybe I should follow a certain comedians logic and dub you "D'Artagnan"

[Benz-O-Rama]

Originally Posted by FormulaZR

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Dammit...so sorry about that. I fixed the original post! The one time I try to act like I know what I'm talking about and I get it wrong...I'm just gonna go back to my helmet and coloring book now.


I think maybe I should follow a certain comedians logic and dub you "D'Artagnan"

No worries. Nobody get's my name right the first time. All future incidents will be met with a caning though.

I'll keep the mistake quoted for posterity.

[FormulaZR]

Originally Posted by Benz-O-Rama

No worries. Nobody get's my name right the first time. All future incidents will be met with a caning though.

I'll keep the mistake quoted for posterity.

LOL...duly noted.