2010 Mercedes Benz AMG E63 Review article

MBWorld.org Editors · 06-24-2009, 11:20 PM

Hey guys,

I know what I want for an early holiday gift. Mercedes Benz and AMG didn't mess around giving the E63 the same sharp teeth that the SL63 bore for the past year. And then backed it up with a strong jawed suspension. Then the AMG Ride Control gives this performance Mercedes proper comfort.

But still, nary a manual transmission in sight. 465 lbs. of torque and no clutch pedal to dance with. Are you guys interested in seeing an AMG that gives the full control to the driver? Does it or does it not matter? The AMG Speedshift is incredible fun, but sometimes you know what you want to do and the 518 hp beast you're driving isn't interested.

What are your thoughts?

If you missed the quick read, you can find it here: http://www.mbworld.org/amg/2010_merc...erformance.php

Thanks!

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mugatu22 · 06-25-2009, 06:19 AM

My thoughts...they probably wouldn't sell enough manual cars to justify the tooling costs.

The E63 is a comfort rocket sled...a 500HP+ rocket sled, but one designed for cruising. Rowing the gears would provide serious entertainment, but for the vast majority of potential AMG 4-door owners out there, I can't help but think that the 7spd auto is the best choice. At least you can pop it into full "manual" mode to control the shifts at your command.

BTW if MBZ/AMG were to install a manual box into any of their cars, I'd guess that the C63 may provide the best platform, given the average C63 buyer demographics (skews younger, sportier, more inclined to wish for that clutch pedal and enjoy using it). That car or the CLK BS for its tracking capabilities.

Just my $0.02.

AMG Dictator · 06-25-2009, 12:31 PM

You totally missed the point that at least it has the new MCT. For performance driving this is a huge step forward in a sedan from Mercedes.

AMG Dictator · 06-25-2009, 12:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MBWorld.org Editors

Hey guys,

I know what I want for an early holiday gift. Mercedes Benz and AMG didn't mess around giving the E63 the same sharp teeth that the SL63 bore for the past year. And then backed it up with a strong jawed suspension. Then the AMG Ride Control gives this performance Mercedes proper comfort.

But still, nary a manual transmission in sight. 465 lbs. of torque and no clutch pedal to dance with. Are you guys interested in seeing an AMG that gives the full control to the driver? Does it or does it not matter? The AMG Speedshift is incredible fun, but sometimes you know what you want to do and the 518 hp beast you're driving isn't interested.

What are your thoughts?

If you missed the quick read, you can find it here: http://www.mbworld.org/amg/2010_merc...erformance.php

Thanks!

Glad to see that you are not bias in your opinion at all

Who needs a manual gearbox? Give me a set of flappy paddles or a sequential any day.

mugatu22 · 06-26-2009, 06:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AMG Dictator

You totally missed the point that at least it has the new MCT. For performance driving this is a huge step forward in a sedan from Mercedes.

I totally missed the point? I understand it has the MCT. That's still not a manual rowbox w/a clutch, which is what he was asking. Perhaps you missed the question?

I agree, MCT will be nice and a bonus for performance driving. And again I don't believe a true manual would sell anyway.

CharlyE500 · 06-26-2009, 02:47 PM

The new E63 has only 11hp more than the W211 W63 ? and even slower ?? W212 says 4.4 sec from 0-60 but the W211 was showed at 4.3 sec.

E55 4.5 sec
E63 4.3 sec w211
E63 4.4 sec w212 with better transmission and 11 hp +

For only 11 hp more and slower car that a very special car......
not to mention base price $87,700 it will be around $100k with options outdoor price.....

blk07bruins63 · 06-26-2009, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlyE500

The new E63 has only 11hp more than the W211 W63 ? and even slower ?? W212 says 4.4 sec from 0-60 but the W211 was showed at 4.3 sec.

E55 4.5 sec
E63 4.3 sec w211
E63 4.4 sec w212 with better transmission and 11 hp +

For only 11 hp more and slower car that a very special car......
not to mention base price $87,700 it will be around $100k with options outdoor price.....

Yeah but if you take the badges off the trunk people will say " That's a nice looking Hyundai"!!!!!

DFW01E55 · 06-28-2009, 01:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blk07bruins63

Yeah but if you take the badges off the trunk people will say " That's a nice looking Hyundai"!!!!!

DANG!
That was an unprovoked attack!
But

AZIPOD · 06-28-2009, 02:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DFW01E55

DANG!
That was an unprovoked attack!
But

But but.... it's true.

EURO KNG · 06-28-2009, 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AZIPOD

But but.... it's true.

very very true lol

BoBcanada · 06-28-2009, 10:37 AM

4.3 for w211 i dont think you are quoting from mb official website.

Blacksport350 · 06-28-2009, 11:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by blk07bruins63

Yeah but if you take the badges off the trunk people will say " That's a nice looking Hyundai"!!!!!

CharlyE500 · 06-28-2009, 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoBcanada

4.3 for w211 i dont think you are quoting from mb official website.

MB web used to show the E63 at 4.3 Sec and 55K at 4.5K
In real life, they are about the same but the new W212 E63 4.4 sec then
disapointed....... why bother pay $100K for the same performance car and getting more electronic trouble.

Zax63 · 06-28-2009, 08:11 PM

I'd love an E63 RS. No roof, coilovers instead of air suspension, less sound insulation, lightweight interior/stereo/seats, 6 spd manual with stickier lighter rims/rubber all around, improved software for 93 octane. Lose 400 lbs, 3600 pound rocket ship with 540 hp. Boo-yah! And yeah, I'd pay 100k for it. Z

malakasnyc · 06-28-2009, 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlyE500

The new E63 has only 11hp more than the W211 W63 ? and even slower ?? W212 says 4.4 sec from 0-60 but the W211 was showed at 4.3 sec.

E55 4.5 sec
E63 4.3 sec w211
E63 4.4 sec w212 with better transmission and 11 hp +

For only 11 hp more and slower car that a very special car......
not to mention base price $87,700 it will be around $100k with options outdoor price.....

id let some others test it before we determine its 4.4 seconds . they tested a 09 e63 p30 with a 1/4 tank of gas and it was hitting 3.9s -4.0's 0-60 consistantly . its on youtube .

CharlyE500 · 07-01-2009, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by malakasnyc

id let some others test it before we determine its 4.4 seconds . they tested a 09 e63 p30 with a 1/4 tank of gas and it was hitting 3.9s -4.0's 0-60 consistantly . its on youtube .

If that so, send me the link, i cant find any 3.9s E63 in youtube......

malakasnyc · 07-05-2009, 04:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CharlyE500

If that so, send me the link, i cant find any 3.9s E63 in youtube......

e63- 0-60 3.9 link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taCQ0sUef10

RobDoc · 07-05-2009, 10:47 PM

MCT may be very, very good. Perhaps as good as BMW ///M's DCT-which is absolutely awesome in the M3.
But... Not only do I think they should at least offer a manual in the AMG cars, I think they should offer a clutch and box for C's, SL's, E's and CL's.

bobgodd · 07-05-2009, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Zax63

I'd love an E63 RS. No roof, coilovers instead of air suspension, less sound insulation, lightweight interior/stereo/seats, 6 spd manual with stickier lighter rims/rubber all around, improved software for 93 octane. Lose 400 lbs, 3600 pound rocket ship with 540 hp. Boo-yah! And yeah, I'd pay 100k for it. Z

Then get a CTS-V

Zax63 · 07-06-2009, 11:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bobgodd

Then get a CTS-V

Sad to say, but you are right. Build quality probably not quite as good... I'm just guessing that the morale of the guys bolting those together right now not so good. Hearts probably aren't in it - if they are still making them. Plus, I went and checked one out, they just aren't as nice. A hair more legroom, from what I can tell. My seat's all the way back in both.

Fantasm · 07-07-2009, 12:49 AM

stuff like the plastic dome light is really killing that car though.
boy did they mess up with that. how much more would it have cost to use a bit better plastic and some LED lights in the dome lighting for the CTS-V? $5??

Come on!

Marcus Frost · 07-07-2009, 12:55 AM

I would personally be more interested in seeing MB revert back to forced induction rather than splitting hairs on whether or not it should have an automatic or manual transmission. I am a diehard manual transmission fan (even though my current lineup doesn't speak for it) but even if the 63 were to come in manual I would go for a supercharged CTS-V over it based on the engine alone.

-m

J 2OOI · 07-07-2009, 10:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus Frost

I would personally be more interested in seeing MB revert back to forced induction rather than splitting hairs on whether or not it should have an automatic or manual transmission. I am a diehard manual transmission fan (even though my current lineup doesn't speak for it) but even if the 63 were to come in manual I would go for a supercharged CTS-V over it based on the engine alone.

-m

CTS-V is nice but it seems cramped inside compared to the E63. Not to mention build quality and looks aren't there either. CTS-V moves around the track nicely for what it is but I'd still pick a lightly used M5 for less than CTS-V money. I know, I know, shocking.

bzliteyear · 10-29-2009, 01:31 AM

question: what do you call a $93k chunk of cheap plastic?
answer: 2010 E63!
i was at the MB dealer today and spent some time in the showroom.
i did not drive the car, but dang - the interior is embarassing, especially for that kind of money. is my expectation really that unreasonable?
come on - how much for can it cost to use superior plastic/little extra leather $500, $1k? this is a terrable reflection on the MB brand.
Patrick

MB_Forever · 10-29-2009, 05:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by malakasnyc

e63- 0-60 3.9 link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taCQ0sUef10

Actually, it was an 07 E63 and it was my car

Here is the link to the full thread....

----> E63 P30 AMG 0-60 mph Runs <----

06-28-2009, 10:37 AM	#11
BoBcanada MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Toronto,ON Posts: 2,723 Drives: AMG	4.3 for w211 i dont think you are quoting from mb official website. __________________ 2005 E55 sold but not forgotten! 2006 ML350 <---- Family suv, slow but very good!SOLD 2007 GSXR 1000 YELLOW 09 ML320 Bluetec? S550?C63?M5?

06-28-2009, 08:11 PM	#14
Zax63 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 249 Drives: 2007 E63, 2006 R500	I'd love an E63 RS. No roof, coilovers instead of air suspension, less sound insulation, lightweight interior/stereo/seats, 6 spd manual with stickier lighter rims/rubber all around, improved software for 93 octane. Lose 400 lbs, 3600 pound rocket ship with 540 hp. Boo-yah! And yeah, I'd pay 100k for it. Z __________________ removed my sig because 12.30 just ain't quick anymore!

07-05-2009, 10:47 PM	#18
RobDoc Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: OC Posts: 112 Drives: E63, M3 SMG, F355GTS	MCT may be very, very good. Perhaps as good as BMW ///M's DCT-which is absolutely awesome in the M3. But... Not only do I think they should at least offer a manual in the AMG cars, I think they should offer a clutch and box for C's, SL's, E's and CL's. __________________ '09 E63- P030 AMG Performance Package, P2, Carbon Fiber, Pano + Illuminated door sills, Rear Side Window Blinds, Trunk closer.

07-07-2009, 12:49 AM	#21
Fantasm MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: May 2007 Location: Woodland Hills, CA Posts: 1,046 Drives: 2009 GTR	stuff like the plastic dome light is really killing that car though. boy did they mess up with that. how much more would it have cost to use a bit better plastic and some LED lights in the dome lighting for the CTS-V? $5?? Come on! __________________ - 2009 Nissan GTR - 505AWHP, 509AWTQ Gone: 2009 Mercedes SL63 AMG 2008 Porsche Cayenne GTS 2008 BMW 335i 2005 Mercedes E55 2008 Honda S2000 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser 2007 Jeep SRT8 2004 Mercedes SL55 2004 BMW M3 2006 F150 KingRanch 1991 Nissan 300ZX TT 1990 Nissan 300ZX

07-07-2009, 12:55 AM	#22
Marcus Frost MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 1,816 Drives: '05 E55, '05 SL65, '08 GL320	I would personally be more interested in seeing MB revert back to forced induction rather than splitting hairs on whether or not it should have an automatic or manual transmission. I am a diehard manual transmission fan (even though my current lineup doesn't speak for it) but even if the 63 were to come in manual I would go for a supercharged CTS-V over it based on the engine alone. -m __________________ '08 Mercedes-Benz GL320 CDI - Kleemann KD-Box '05 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG - VRP550, CPT Cooling Package, Kleemann Mufflers, STAR Lowering, Carlsson Steering Wheel, 19" Titanium AMG IV Wheels '05 Mercedes-Benz SL65 AMG - CPT Muffler Delete, CPT Cooling Package, STAR Lowering, 20" BBS CH-Rs Former MBs: 2004 Mercedes-Benz SL600 RENNTech 2003 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG 2002 Mercedes-Benz E55 AMG

06-25-2009, 06:19 AM	#2
mugatu22 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: So Cal Posts: 354 Drives: Depends on the day.	My thoughts...they probably wouldn't sell enough manual cars to justify the tooling costs. The E63 is a comfort rocket sled...a 500HP+ rocket sled, but one designed for cruising. Rowing the gears would provide serious entertainment, but for the vast majority of potential AMG 4-door owners out there, I can't help but think that the 7spd auto is the best choice. At least you can pop it into full "manual" mode to control the shifts at your command. BTW if MBZ/AMG were to install a manual box into any of their cars, I'd guess that the C63 may provide the best platform, given the average C63 buyer demographics (skews younger, sportier, more inclined to wish for that clutch pedal and enjoy using it). That car or the CLK BS for its tracking capabilities. Just my $0.02.

06-25-2009, 12:31 PM	#3
AMG Dictator Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Posts: 260 Drives: C63 AMG	You totally missed the point that at least it has the new MCT. For performance driving this is a huge step forward in a sedan from Mercedes.

06-26-2009, 02:47 PM	#6
CharlyE500 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Socal, Brea Posts: 443 Drives: E55 2006 Pewter PanoRoof	The new E63 has only 11hp more than the W211 W63 ? and even slower ?? W212 says 4.4 sec from 0-60 but the W211 was showed at 4.3 sec. E55 4.5 sec E63 4.3 sec w211 E63 4.4 sec w212 with better transmission and 11 hp + For only 11 hp more and slower car that a very special car...... not to mention base price $87,700 it will be around $100k with options outdoor price.....

10-29-2009, 01:31 AM	#24
bzliteyear Super Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: SF Posts: 773 Drives: 2002 S55 AMG 1995 E320 Cab	question: what do you call a $93k chunk of cheap plastic? answer: 2010 E63! i was at the MB dealer today and spent some time in the showroom. i did not drive the car, but dang - the interior is embarassing, especially for that kind of money. is my expectation really that unreasonable? come on - how much for can it cost to use superior plastic/little extra leather $500, $1k? this is a terrable reflection on the MB brand. Patrick __________________ 2002 S55 silver/blk vent seats/distronic/parktronic 1995 E320 Cabriolet black opal/beige 2002 540i Sport steel blue metallic/grey 2006 R500 pewter/ash grey previously: '00 E320 wagon/'01 MB E55/'95 BMW 525i/'00 MB E320 Lorinser wagon/'89 Porsche Cab/'95 Lexus SC400/'00 BMW X5 4.4i/'99 MB C230K Sport/00 Porsche Boxster S/'93 MB 600SL/'90 Porsche 928/93 Porsche 968/'90 Infiniti Q45/90 Acura Integra/'88 Porsche 944T/'83 Porsche 944/'82 Toyota Supra

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