MBWorld.org Editors

Hey guys,

I know what I want for an early holiday gift. Mercedes Benz and AMG didn't mess around giving the E63 the same sharp teeth that the SL63 bore for the past year. And then backed it up with a strong jawed suspension. Then the AMG Ride Control gives this performance Mercedes proper comfort.

But still, nary a manual transmission in sight. 465 lbs. of torque and no clutch pedal to dance with. Are you guys interested in seeing an AMG that gives the full control to the driver? Does it or does it not matter? The AMG Speedshift is incredible fun, but sometimes you know what you want to do and the 518 hp beast you're driving isn't interested.

What are your thoughts?


If you missed the quick read, you can find it here: https://mbworld.org/amg/2010_mercede...erformance.php


Thanks!

VCA_AMG

My thoughts...they probably wouldn't sell enough manual cars to justify the tooling costs.

The E63 is a comfort rocket sled...a 500HP+ rocket sled, but one designed for cruising. Rowing the gears would provide serious entertainment, but for the vast majority of potential AMG 4-door owners out there, I can't help but think that the 7spd auto is the best choice. At least you can pop it into full "manual" mode to control the shifts at your command.

BTW if MBZ/AMG were to install a manual box into any of their cars, I'd guess that the C63 may provide the best platform, given the average C63 buyer demographics (skews younger, sportier, more inclined to wish for that clutch pedal and enjoy using it). That car or the CLK BS for its tracking capabilities.

Just my $0.02.

AMG Dictator

You totally missed the point that at least it has the new MCT. For performance driving this is a huge step forward in a sedan from Mercedes.

AMG Dictator

Glad to see that you are not bias in your opinion at all

Who needs a manual gearbox? Give me a set of flappy paddles or a sequential any day.

VCA_AMG

I totally missed the point? I understand it has the MCT. That's still not a manual rowbox w/a clutch, which is what he was asking. Perhaps you missed the question?

I agree, MCT will be nice and a bonus for performance driving. And again I don't believe a true manual would sell anyway.

CharlyE500

The new E63 has only 11hp more than the W211 W63 ? and even slower ?? W212 says 4.4 sec from 0-60 but the W211 was showed at 4.3 sec.

E55 4.5 sec
E63 4.3 sec w211
E63 4.4 sec w212 with better transmission and 11 hp +

For only 11 hp more and slower car that a very special car......
not to mention base price $87,700 it will be around $100k with options outdoor price.....

blk07bruins63

Yeah but if you take the badges off the trunk people will say " That's a nice looking Hyundai"!!!!!

DFW01E55

DANG!
That was an unprovoked attack!
But

AZIPOD

But but.... it's true.

EURO KNG

very very true lol

BoBcanada

4.3 for w211 i dont think you are quoting from mb official website.

Blacksport350

CharlyE500

MB web used to show the E63 at 4.3 Sec and 55K at 4.5K
In real life, they are about the same but the new W212 E63 4.4 sec then
disapointed....... why bother pay $100K for the same performance car and getting more electronic trouble.

Zax63

I'd love an E63 RS. No roof, coilovers instead of air suspension, less sound insulation, lightweight interior/stereo/seats, 6 spd manual with stickier lighter rims/rubber all around, improved software for 93 octane. Lose 400 lbs, 3600 pound rocket ship with 540 hp. Boo-yah! And yeah, I'd pay 100k for it. Z

DAGREEKNYC

id let some others test it before we determine its 4.4 seconds . they tested a 09 e63 p30 with a 1/4 tank of gas and it was hitting 3.9s -4.0's 0-60 consistantly . its on youtube .

CharlyE500

If that so, send me the link, i cant find any 3.9s E63 in youtube......

DAGREEKNYC

e63- 0-60 3.9 link

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taCQ0sUef10

RobDoc

MCT may be very, very good. Perhaps as good as BMW ///M's DCT-which is absolutely awesome in the M3.
But... Not only do I think they should at least offer a manual in the AMG cars, I think they should offer a clutch and box for C's, SL's, E's and CL's.

bobgodd

Then get a CTS-V

Zax63

Sad to say, but you are right. Build quality probably not quite as good... I'm just guessing that the morale of the guys bolting those together right now not so good. Hearts probably aren't in it - if they are still making them. Plus, I went and checked one out, they just aren't as nice. A hair more legroom, from what I can tell. My seat's all the way back in both.

Fantasm

stuff like the plastic dome light is really killing that car though.
boy did they mess up with that. how much more would it have cost to use a bit better plastic and some LED lights in the dome lighting for the CTS-V? $5??

Come on!

Marcus Frost

I would personally be more interested in seeing MB revert back to forced induction rather than splitting hairs on whether or not it should have an automatic or manual transmission. I am a diehard manual transmission fan (even though my current lineup doesn't speak for it) but even if the 63 were to come in manual I would go for a supercharged CTS-V over it based on the engine alone.

-m

J 2OOI

CTS-V is nice but it seems cramped inside compared to the E63. Not to mention build quality and looks aren't there either. CTS-V moves around the track nicely for what it is but I'd still pick a lightly used M5 for less than CTS-V money. I know, I know, shocking.

bzliteyear

question: what do you call a $93k chunk of cheap plastic?
answer: 2010 E63!
i was at the MB dealer today and spent some time in the showroom.
i did not drive the car, but dang - the interior is embarassing, especially for that kind of money. is my expectation really that unreasonable?
come on - how much for can it cost to use superior plastic/little extra leather $500, $1k? this is a terrable reflection on the MB brand.
Patrick

MB_Forever

Actually, it was an 07 E63 and it was my car Here is the link to the full thread....

https://mbworld.org/forums/w211-amg/...-mph-runs.html