Supercharged 63...is it ever going to happen?

nrgy · 10-21-2009, 10:03 PM

I browse the E92 M3 forums from time to time, and keep seeing all these supercharger kits popping up for the M3. I've read of at least 6 that are done or very close to it from companies like Gintani, GPower, ESS, Active Autowerkes, Vortech, etc. I'm just puzzled how the M3 market can support all these projects, yet our 63 which is used in multiple platforms can't even support one?

I wonder if we could petition one of the BMW developers to help us 63 guys out.

Show them there is enough interest to at least look into it, or maybe there isn't any?

I particulary like the ESS setup which looks so clean and stealthy looking.

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MB_Forever · 10-22-2009, 12:11 AM

VRP started a project to supercharge a CLK63 3 years ago, but then the project was later abandoned. RARfinancial tried to revive it, but it got no where

Brabus has a twin turbo kit but it's supposed to be only for the ML63 and the price is

I agree with you.... it would be nice to have a supercharged or turboed 63 engine around.

Hammer Down · 10-22-2009, 12:24 AM

I would love to see Hefner or Underground Racing do a TT CLK Black Series!

E55Bullet · 10-22-2009, 12:53 AM

I would sell my E tomorrow for a TT 63!

RacerX0911 · 10-22-2009, 12:53 AM

FI ftw!

Fantasm · 10-22-2009, 12:53 AM

There are no real tuners in the Mercedes market. Everyone just does baby basic sh!t and simple fabrication. If the tuners can FI the M3's then theres no reason why an 63 engine isn't possible ... yet here we are with zilch.
I would've never gotten rid of my SL63, and Supercharged it if there was a real tuner around doing it, but nope.

jikjak · 10-22-2009, 01:33 AM

it might happen!
my local shop, advance, just got a C63 as a shop car and they plan to develop a s/c kit for it.
cant wait!

nrgy · 10-22-2009, 01:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jikjak

it might happen!
my local shop, advance, just got a C63 as a shop car and they plan to develop a s/c kit for it.
cant wait!

Oh wow, that is great to hear! After seeing what they were able to do for you 55k guys first hand, Advance seems to know their stuff. So it's not just going to be a one off? Hopefully when they are ready they can fill us in on what's happening

But from reading posts in the past, it seems like that is what has kept a lot of 55k owners from making the jump to the 63. I just think a s/c kit would open up a whole new market for the 63 platform. Instead of losing 55k guys to other brands when trade-in time comes, it sounds like quite a few would stick around with a F/I 63, even if an aftermarket solution.

jikjak · 10-22-2009, 02:03 AM

if it works out well they will release it as a kit for others to buy.
they also want to develop other parts for amg cars and in the near future u should see them here as a sponsor on the board.

Marcus Frost · 10-22-2009, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantasm

There are no real tuners in the Mercedes market. Everyone just does baby basic sh!t and simple fabrication. If the tuners can FI the M3's then theres no reason why an 63 engine isn't possible ... yet here we are with zilch.
I would've never gotten rid of my SL63, and Supercharged it if there was a real tuner around doing it, but nope.

This is absolutely true. "Tuning" for Mercedes means you are buying stuff from WinOLS, Dimsport, or whoever else. There is no real competition, no innovation. We get slap happy for what in other tuning circles are trivial parts. The quote goes competition is the disciplinarian in the market economy, however without true competition we just have to sit back and keep dealing with wholly underwhelming development for these platforms. The M113 55K is 7 years old for Christ's sake and we've only picked up 10-12mph without using nitrous.

-m

VENOMNS · 10-22-2009, 04:52 AM

You have to remember our compression is high on our E63 cars so it is difficult to put boost into them!

Ali_E55 · 10-22-2009, 06:22 AM

or maybe because benz anounced about the new 5.5 TT which is 580hp and milage will be 1.8g/100km due to its 4 cylender cut off system on the highways and low rpms.

^_^

so i prefer to wait for it 2 years them buying a 63 and tune it.

Full Throttle · 10-22-2009, 08:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammer Down

I would love to see Hefner or Underground Racing do a TT CLK Black Series!

This

Full Throttle · 10-22-2009, 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus Frost

This is absolutely true. "Tuning" for Mercedes means you are buying stuff from WinOLS, Dimsport, or whoever else. There is no real competition, no innovation. We get slap happy for what in other tuning circles are trivial parts. The quote goes competition is the disciplinarian in the market economy, however without true competition we just have to sit back and keep dealing with wholly underwhelming development for these platforms. The M113 55K is 7 years old for Christ's sake and we've only picked up 10-12mph without using nitrous.

-m

Agreed the MB aftermarket is the worst that i have ever seen, considering the cost and poor craftsmanship of the parts that are available.

DCMETRO22Z · 10-22-2009, 09:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fantasm

There are no real tuners in the Mercedes market. Everyone just does baby basic sh!t and simple fabrication. If the tuners can FI the M3's then theres no reason why an 63 engine isn't possible ... yet here we are with zilch.
I would've never gotten rid of my SL63, and Supercharged it if there was a real tuner around doing it, but nope.

Best regards , Brabus, carlsson, lorinser CEO's

blackbenzz · 10-22-2009, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hammer Down

I would love to see Hefner or Underground Racing do a TT CLK Black Series!

If you have the money I'm sure they will get er done

Quote:

Originally Posted by Marcus Frost

This is absolutely true. "Tuning" for Mercedes means you are buying stuff from WinOLS, Dimsport, or whoever else. There is no real competition, no innovation. We get slap happy for what in other tuning circles are trivial parts. The quote goes competition is the disciplinarian in the market economy, however without true competition we just have to sit back and keep dealing with wholly underwhelming development for these platforms. The M113 55K is 7 years old for Christ's sake and we've only picked up 10-12mph without using nitrous.

-m

+1

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ali_E55

or maybe because benz anounced about the new 5.5 TT which is 580hp and milage will be 1.8g/100km due to its 4 cylender cut off system on the highways and low rpms.

^_^

so i prefer to wait for it 2 years them buying a 63 and tune it.

I will wait and buy one used

mekantor · 10-22-2009, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VENOMNS

You have to remember our compression is high on our E63 cars so it is difficult to put boost into them!

Thats what new pistons are for.

Forrest Gump 9 · 10-22-2009, 01:45 PM

Also tranny, can the 7 speed handle the extra power?

IMPORTIMAGE · 10-22-2009, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forrest Gump 9

Also tranny, can the 7 speed handle the extra power?

thats exactly what i was thinking when i first read this.

JADE46 · 10-22-2009, 03:22 PM

Would be awesome if produced

Fantasm · 10-30-2009, 05:47 PM

Just a small bump to remind everyone how lacking the tuning availability is for Mercedes.
Not 1 Supercharger yet for the 63 engines.

Bollywood · 10-30-2009, 06:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VENOMNS

You have to remember our compression is high on our E63 cars so it is difficult to put boost into them!

Tell that to the Japanese tuners who have successfully tuned engines with 9:1 compression and higher.

New pistons will make the high compression issue go away as well as a GREAT tune.

sack5000 · 10-30-2009, 09:54 PM

All those with 63 engines enjoy your 507HP in good health. How much is enough? Want supercharged power in a light weight frame get the ZR1.

lexaltezza · 10-30-2009, 10:03 PM

I've been waiting for a supercharger for quite a while now too. M's are a larger market than AMG's I would think, hence more tuners/parts. Everyone keeps saying that the high compression of the 63 is an issue, but isn't the M3's compression even higher? Their supercharger kits will be bolt on and not require internal modifications as far as I am aware. For the transmission, could a valve body upgrade be possible?

lexaltezza · 10-30-2009, 10:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sack5000

All those with 63 engines enjoy your 507HP in good health. How much is enough? Want supercharged power in a light weight frame get the ZR1.

The upcoming TT V8 M5 looks good too.

10-22-2009, 12:11 AM	#2
MB_Forever MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: California, USA Posts: 5,909 Drives: E63 P30, CL500 Sport	VRP started a project to supercharge a CLK63 3 years ago, but then the project was later abandoned. RARfinancial tried to revive it, but it got no where Brabus has a twin turbo kit but it's supposed to be only for the ML63 and the price is I agree with you.... it would be nice to have a supercharged or turboed 63 engine around. __________________ 2007 E63 w/P30 ---> 12.22 @ 115.1 (100% STOCK - Seeking 12.1x @ 116)

10-22-2009, 12:24 AM	#3
Hammer Down MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Bay Area Posts: 1,532 Drives: 2004 E55 , 2009 E350 , 2004 Acura Tsx	I would love to see Hefner or Underground Racing do a TT CLK Black Series! __________________ The Fastest Stock Powered E55 on DR's 121.18 in the USA The Quickest Stock Powered E55 on DR's on the West Coast 11.91 (for now, go get it Max)

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10-22-2009, 12:53 AM	#6
Fantasm MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: May 2007 Location: Woodland Hills, CA Posts: 1,045 Drives: 2009 GTR	There are no real tuners in the Mercedes market. Everyone just does baby basic sh!t and simple fabrication. If the tuners can FI the M3's then theres no reason why an 63 engine isn't possible ... yet here we are with zilch. I would've never gotten rid of my SL63, and Supercharged it if there was a real tuner around doing it, but nope. __________________ - 2009 Nissan GTR - 505AWHP, 509AWTQ Gone: 2009 Mercedes SL63 AMG 2008 Porsche Cayenne GTS 2008 BMW 335i 2005 Mercedes E55 2008 Honda S2000 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser 2007 Jeep SRT8 2004 Mercedes SL55 2004 BMW M3 2006 F150 KingRanch 1991 Nissan 300ZX TT 1990 Nissan 300ZX

10-22-2009, 01:33 AM	#7
jikjak MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,444 Drives: CLS55 AMG	it might happen! my local shop, advance, just got a C63 as a shop car and they plan to develop a s/c kit for it. cant wait! __________________ 11.344@124.80mph 1.795 60'

10-22-2009, 12:53 AM	#5
RacerX0911 Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 363	FI ftw!

10-22-2009, 02:03 AM	#9
jikjak MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 1,444 Drives: CLS55 AMG	if it works out well they will release it as a kit for others to buy. they also want to develop other parts for amg cars and in the near future u should see them here as a sponsor on the board. __________________ 11.344@124.80mph 1.795 60'

10-22-2009, 04:52 AM	#11
VENOMNS Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Posts: 57 Drives: E63 AMG	You have to remember our compression is high on our E63 cars so it is difficult to put boost into them!

10-22-2009, 06:22 AM	#12
Ali_E55 Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Abu dhabi Posts: 285 Drives: E55, LS460L	or maybe because benz anounced about the new 5.5 TT which is 580hp and milage will be 1.8g/100km due to its 4 cylender cut off system on the highways and low rpms. ^_^ so i prefer to wait for it 2 years them buying a 63 and tune it. __________________ OEM 82mm TB with (80mm stuffs), 170mm pulley, PowerChip (Jeremy) ECU Tune, Deleted Catalysts, Deleted Resonaters, Phenolic Spacer Kit, VRP Short Headers, BMC Filters, white carbon fiber spoiler, H/E, CM30 IC pump. 570hp, 877NM @ 35C Temp

10-22-2009, 01:45 PM	#18
Forrest Gump 9 Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Posts: 127 Drives: shrimp boat	Also tranny, can the 7 speed handle the extra power?

10-22-2009, 03:22 PM	#20
JADE46 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 37	Would be awesome if produced

10-30-2009, 05:47 PM	#21
Fantasm MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: May 2007 Location: Woodland Hills, CA Posts: 1,045 Drives: 2009 GTR	Just a small bump to remind everyone how lacking the tuning availability is for Mercedes. Not 1 Supercharger yet for the 63 engines. __________________ - 2009 Nissan GTR - 505AWHP, 509AWTQ Gone: 2009 Mercedes SL63 AMG 2008 Porsche Cayenne GTS 2008 BMW 335i 2005 Mercedes E55 2008 Honda S2000 2007 Toyota FJ Cruiser 2007 Jeep SRT8 2004 Mercedes SL55 2004 BMW M3 2006 F150 KingRanch 1991 Nissan 300ZX TT 1990 Nissan 300ZX

10-30-2009, 09:54 PM	#23
sack5000 MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: US Posts: 1,453 Drives: E63	All those with 63 engines enjoy your 507HP in good health. How much is enough? Want supercharged power in a light weight frame get the ZR1. __________________ 2009 E63, loaded, pano, keyless, HD radio, updated Nav, built-in bluetooth, ipod, iridium silver.

10-30-2009, 10:03 PM	#24
lexaltezza Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 388 Drives: 08 CLS63	I've been waiting for a supercharger for quite a while now too. M's are a larger market than AMG's I would think, hence more tuners/parts. Everyone keeps saying that the high compression of the 63 is an issue, but isn't the M3's compression even higher? Their supercharger kits will be bolt on and not require internal modifications as far as I am aware. For the transmission, could a valve body upgrade be possible? __________________

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