Thoughts on exhaust, help out!

TheVazha · 11-20-2009, 11:45 AM

Ok here's the deal. I want an Eisenmann, Supersprint, or Tracer exhaust and no one has one for sale.

I met some guy out here in LA who says he builds custom exhausts for high performance cars. This is what he wants to do to my car (05e55):

1.Take out secondary cats and replace them with x pipe
2. From x pipe, he wants 3in straight pipe to the stock resonator.
3. Out of the stock resonator, he wants to run 3in straight pipe to a Y pipe in the back saving the AMG quad tips and out the back of the car.
4. He says if its too loud, hell throw in, in place of the original mufflers, two high flow resonators (one on each side).

He promises that the car will sound like a Ferrari and he claims we'll get 20 ponies out of it. My main concern is the sound. If we get any extra hp, great, if not no big deal.

Interesting proposition, good price too, what do you guys think??

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TheVazha · 11-20-2009, 12:06 PM

ANYONE??

shardul · 11-20-2009, 01:18 PM

You will gain power because of the x pipe. Everything else will be just for sound. I doubt it will sound like a F car

TheVazha · 11-20-2009, 01:44 PM

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Originally Posted by shardul

You will gain power because of the x pipe. Everything else will be just for sound. I doubt it will sound like a F car

Agreed. I have high doubts on that as well. I'm just afraid of the dreaded American muscle car gargle...

99DirtybirdWS6 · 11-20-2009, 02:12 PM

If you don't like it you could always have him throw the stock mufflers back on after the X pipe. The secondary cat/res delete with an X pipe is quite popular. If its cheap enough why not try it? We all might learn something.

aleksandar1099 · 11-20-2009, 03:11 PM

It will be VERY loud, and it will sound like an american muscle car.... if you want to try and get a good sound, without breaking the bank, try just some new mufflers. It will be louder, but not obnoxious.

kjlindgr · 11-20-2009, 03:18 PM

^^^ What he said.

I think it's cool that the guy sounds excited about trying new stuff on the car and isn't satisfied with just the "same old" bolt-ons. I don't like his Ferrari sound claim though. Very misleading sales tactic.

bigswin · 11-20-2009, 04:56 PM

what did you say the price was??? I just had my secondary cats and resonator removed and replaced with 3" straight pipes. AMG mufflers are actually pretty good so I would leave them. I don't have the "gargle" but it is definitely a little better than stock. This can be done for 400 bucks or so.

TheVazha · 11-20-2009, 05:11 PM

So it shall be done. I'm hooking up with my boy over at DC for a dyno. After we'll drive the cars over to get the exhaust set up. I'm down to experiment if it'll help the forum! I'll post pictures and a sound clip, if it sounds good. If not, I'll be back looking for a used Eisenmann.

TheVazha · 11-20-2009, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by bigswin

what did you say the price was??? I just had my secondary cats and resonator removed and replaced with 3" straight pipes. AMG mufflers are actually pretty good so I would leave them. I don't have the "gargle" but it is definitely a little better than stock. This can be done for 400 bucks or so.

This was one of the options discussed with my exhaust guy, would you PLEASE post a sound clip or a link to you tube vid so we can se what that set up sounds like?

bigswin · 11-20-2009, 05:57 PM

this is not my ride but should give you an idea....

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3k...5-amg-019_auto

TheVazha · 11-20-2009, 07:00 PM

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Originally Posted by bigswin

this is not my ride but should give you an idea....

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3k...5-amg-019_auto

Bro!!!! I've seen this video and this is EXACTLY the set up I want! I love the deep low hum. Sounds a bit like a muscle car but a very expensive one! Im sold. What is the exact set up on this video? And if its not your ride, do you know the set up for sure? How can we confirm? Thanx Brotha!!

bigswin · 11-20-2009, 07:06 PM

Let me run out to the shop and take a quick vid of my car. Should have it up in 20 min or so, I can vouch for my own set up....

bigswin · 11-20-2009, 07:53 PM

O.K so mine is secondary cat delete, resonator delete and I have the 3" straight pipes and not the x-pipe. Sounds a little weird b/c my car is out in the shop so it's echoing a bit. Also, this is at the family farm and there is some loud motors running in the background. Enjoy....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1RirXdCFVA

TheVazha · 11-20-2009, 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigswin

O.K so mine is secondary cat delete, resonator delete and I have the 3" straight pipes and not the x-pipe. Sounds a little weird b/c my car is out in the shop so it's echoing a bit. Also, this is at the family farm and there is some loud motors running in the background. Enjoy....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1RirXdCFVA

Sounds bad ass!! Thank you for going through the trouble to post the video. I'll be at the shop later this weekend and I'll post pics and vids as well! Thanks swin and everyone else who posted!!

M-bENZ · 11-20-2009, 09:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigswin

O.K so mine is secondary cat delete, resonator delete and I have the 3" straight pipes and not the x-pipe. Sounds a little weird b/c my car is out in the shop so it's echoing a bit. Also, this is at the family farm and there is some loud motors running in the background. Enjoy....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1RirXdCFVA

souds good but you still have the stock exhaust on right ?

Andy

emoving · 11-20-2009, 09:52 PM

So whats the difference in using an X pipe and just running straight 3 inch pipe?

bigswin · 11-20-2009, 10:00 PM

No prob Vazha, glad I could help you out.

Andy, I have my stock mufflers and primary cats. The secondaries and resonator are gone.

Emoving, all kinds of debate on here about the x-pipe giving more torque and the straight pipes doing something or another. I don't think there is any real measurable difference. Definitely sounds better tho.

emoving · 11-20-2009, 10:05 PM

So you didnt loose anything going to straight pipes then? I just want the sound.

TheVazha · 11-20-2009, 10:11 PM

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Originally Posted by emoving

So you didnt loose anything going to straight pipes then? I just want the sound.

I'm going to dyno the car this weekend hopefully. I've got rez delete and LET tune. I'll dyno before and after straight pipes and I'll post results. I'm in it for the music, if I get any extra power then all the better!

emoving · 11-20-2009, 10:17 PM

Me too on the music. I am not really a racer. I just want it to sound good. I have a pully and a tune from Jerry as well. I am supposed to pick up an 06 so I have not installed it yet on my 03. Dyno numbers would be great just to see if it affects anything which I would not think it would. That dyno would help me out just to see! Thanks bro!

bigswin · 11-20-2009, 10:27 PM

I don't think I noticed any "gains" by doing this but it was worth the money for it to sound better. Also, inside the cabin I have no drone and I was quite surprised at how quiet it was on the inside. At WOT it's pretty sweet.

E55AMGGG04 · 11-21-2009, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by bigswin

I don't think I noticed any "gains" by doing this but it was worth the money for it to sound better. Also, inside the cabin I have no drone and I was quite surprised at how quiet it was on the inside. At WOT it's pretty sweet.

This thread just convinved me to go get this setup. I'm going to try get it done

TheVazha · 11-21-2009, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by emoving

Me too on the music. I am not really a racer. I just want it to sound good. I have a pully and a tune from Jerry as well. I am supposed to pick up an 06 so I have not installed it yet on my 03. Dyno numbers would be great just to see if it affects anything which I would not think it would. That dyno would help me out just to see! Thanks bro!

Do you know anything about the Tracer exhaust? Heres a you tube clip. Sounds like hot sweaty sex to me. I'm in contact via email with the owner. He's in Asia on a trip and I'm waiting for some more info. He says he can put me in touch with his Germany store but shipping would be astronomical. I've got family in Munich but I think a weekend cruise to their Reno store would be more fun! Let me know what you guys think about the sound, group rate maybe??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D3ahIW7AwUA

TheVazha · 11-21-2009, 01:44 PM

I think I've found a match to the Eisenmann, IMHO! I just hope I dont find out its another $3000 German exhaust... Keep your fingers crossed!!

11-20-2009, 12:06 PM	#2
TheVazha Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Los Angeles, greatest city in the WORLD! Posts: 226 Drives: 2005 E55 AMG	ANYONE?? __________________

11-20-2009, 01:18 PM	#3
shardul MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: May 2008 Location: Houston Posts: 1,736 Drives: 2003 W211 E55	You will gain power because of the x pipe. Everything else will be just for sound. I doubt it will sound like a F car __________________ "Lieber Nurburgring als Ehering"

11-20-2009, 02:12 PM	#5
99DirtybirdWS6 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 340 Drives: 2006 E55, 1999 WS6, 2001 GTX (sold), 1989 S10 (Grandpa never thought I'd bag his S10)	If you don't like it you could always have him throw the stock mufflers back on after the X pipe. The secondary cat/res delete with an X pipe is quite popular. If its cheap enough why not try it? We all might learn something. __________________ www.kartnationatmsr.com

11-20-2009, 03:11 PM	#6
aleksandar1099 MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 2,001 Drives: 2003 Mercedes E55	It will be VERY loud, and it will sound like an american muscle car.... if you want to try and get a good sound, without breaking the bank, try just some new mufflers. It will be louder, but not obnoxious. __________________ ITS SOLD! 2003 Mercedes Benz E55

11-20-2009, 05:11 PM	#9
TheVazha Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Los Angeles, greatest city in the WORLD! Posts: 226 Drives: 2005 E55 AMG	So it shall be done. I'm hooking up with my boy over at DC for a dyno. After we'll drive the cars over to get the exhaust set up. I'm down to experiment if it'll help the forum! I'll post pictures and a sound clip, if it sounds good. If not, I'll be back looking for a used Eisenmann. __________________

11-20-2009, 03:18 PM	#7
kjlindgr Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Posts: 147 Drives: FD3S, E55 AMG, DMax	^^^ What he said. I think it's cool that the guy sounds excited about trying new stuff on the car and isn't satisfied with just the "same old" bolt-ons. I don't like his Ferrari sound claim though. Very misleading sales tactic.

11-20-2009, 04:56 PM	#8
bigswin Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 219 Drives: E55 AMG	what did you say the price was??? I just had my secondary cats and resonator removed and replaced with 3" straight pipes. AMG mufflers are actually pretty good so I would leave them. I don't have the "gargle" but it is definitely a little better than stock. This can be done for 400 bucks or so.

11-20-2009, 05:57 PM	#11
bigswin Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 219 Drives: E55 AMG	this is not my ride but should give you an idea.... http://www.dailymotion.com/video/x3k...5-amg-019_auto

11-20-2009, 07:06 PM	#13
bigswin Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 219 Drives: E55 AMG	Let me run out to the shop and take a quick vid of my car. Should have it up in 20 min or so, I can vouch for my own set up....

11-20-2009, 07:53 PM	#14
bigswin Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 219 Drives: E55 AMG	O.K so mine is secondary cat delete, resonator delete and I have the 3" straight pipes and not the x-pipe. Sounds a little weird b/c my car is out in the shop so it's echoing a bit. Also, this is at the family farm and there is some loud motors running in the background. Enjoy.... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q1RirXdCFVA

11-20-2009, 09:52 PM	#17
emoving MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,962 Drives: E55 W211	So whats the difference in using an X pipe and just running straight 3 inch pipe? __________________ 04 E55 07 Audi RS4 06 Audi A6 4.2 S-Line 07 Honda Accord 4cyl

11-20-2009, 10:00 PM	#18
bigswin Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 219 Drives: E55 AMG	No prob Vazha, glad I could help you out. Andy, I have my stock mufflers and primary cats. The secondaries and resonator are gone. Emoving, all kinds of debate on here about the x-pipe giving more torque and the straight pipes doing something or another. I don't think there is any real measurable difference. Definitely sounds better tho.

11-20-2009, 10:05 PM	#19
emoving MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,962 Drives: E55 W211	So you didnt loose anything going to straight pipes then? I just want the sound. __________________ 04 E55 07 Audi RS4 06 Audi A6 4.2 S-Line 07 Honda Accord 4cyl

11-20-2009, 10:17 PM	#21
emoving MBWorld Fanatic! Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 1,962 Drives: E55 W211	Me too on the music. I am not really a racer. I just want it to sound good. I have a pully and a tune from Jerry as well. I am supposed to pick up an 06 so I have not installed it yet on my 03. Dyno numbers would be great just to see if it affects anything which I would not think it would. That dyno would help me out just to see! Thanks bro! __________________ 04 E55 07 Audi RS4 06 Audi A6 4.2 S-Line 07 Honda Accord 4cyl

11-20-2009, 10:27 PM	#22
bigswin Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 219 Drives: E55 AMG	I don't think I noticed any "gains" by doing this but it was worth the money for it to sound better. Also, inside the cabin I have no drone and I was quite surprised at how quiet it was on the inside. At WOT it's pretty sweet.

11-21-2009, 01:44 PM	#25
TheVazha Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Los Angeles, greatest city in the WORLD! Posts: 226 Drives: 2005 E55 AMG	I think I've found a match to the Eisenmann, IMHO! I just hope I dont find out its another $3000 German exhaust... Keep your fingers crossed!! __________________

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